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Releasemaster 02-07-2014 07:24 PM

The snowball will catch us all
 

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1576458)
I wonder what kind of pilot will apply for this job?

1) A desperate one, one that is stuck at a low paying regional?

2) One with lots of skeletons in the closet?

3) One that really wants to fly a 787?

Truly amazing how our industry is slowly but surely going the way of the cruising world. I hope all of these petitions and calls to actions will be heard.

TEN


I wager it will attract stuck up Embaer-Riddle grads with gel hair and and ego wanting to brag about how they fly a, "Big jet across the water," Their ego and the "promise" of higher paying work at a US major when they get the hours will be the bait. The truth is they will learn too late that they shot themselves and pretty much every US major employee in the foot. By the time they get those hours the high paying jobs they were, "promised," will have evaporated. Sadly too will be the pay and benefits that come with a major airline job.

Also note I'm not a airline pilot, but dispatcher. Like pilots I've worked to get were I am and what I make and still have a good future ahead, but letting stuff such as this Norwegian scam happen will affect me too, thus why I gladly signed the petition. Remember, the snowball stands to catch all of us if allowed to roll.

threeighteen 02-08-2014 04:17 PM

signed.

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FAAFlyer 02-08-2014 05:44 PM

Signed! Signed!Signed!Signed!Signed!Signed!Signed!Signed!S igned!Signed!Signed!

Purple Drank 02-08-2014 06:27 PM

We need to make sure no one who works there is ever hired at a US carrier. Ever.

Rather B Fishin 02-09-2014 06:09 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^ Signed^^^^^^^^^^^^^

captjns 02-09-2014 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1577435)
We need to make sure no one who works there is ever hired at a US carrier. Ever.

Rah Rah Rah... you tell them Drank! You go right on the defensive and threaten your carrier with resignation if they consider hiring anyone... anyone, even if they are a personal friend of yours:eek: coming from a M/E carrier... wait, let's not be bigoted here... even if they've flown with any carrier not based in the US:confused:.


Oh brother, I've heard this song many times.

gloopy 02-09-2014 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 1577627)
Rah Rah Rah... you tell them Drank! You go right on the defensive and threaten your carrier with resignation if they consider hiring anyone... anyone, even if they are a personal friend of yours:eek: coming from a M/E carrier... wait, let's not be bigoted here... even if they've flown with any carrier not based in the US:confused:.


Oh brother, I've heard this song many times.

That's not what he's saying. While the Gulf carriers are a major threat to our livelihoods, the NAI scumbags are flat out flag of convienience poachers barely, and I mean barely, only a couple atomic layers above the S word. At least they have the courtessy to wait for a strike, which is extremely rare and arguably never going to happen again with a large airline. But dirt bags like NAI are coming for your career, now, with the exact same self serving ferocity and lame justifications that anyone ever did at EAL, CAL or anywhere else. They must be stopped.

ShyGuy 02-09-2014 10:05 AM

I hate to say it but isn't this what capitalism is all about?

"Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy."

Notice it says nothing about playing fair or level field. The owners of Norwegian are out to make a profit and seem to have a scheme going forward.

gloopy 02-09-2014 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1577805)
I hate to say it but isn't this what capitalism is all about?

"Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy."

Notice it says nothing about playing fair or level field. The owners of Norwegian are out to make a profit and seem to have a scheme going forward.

So you're hoping for a growth inducing VX/NAI code share?

This isn't any more "capitalistic" than the corportist Bank of Boeing foreign airline subsidy. They are circumventing the entire process with their flag of convienience attempt. If you think that is "capitalism" or "freedom" you should be OK with nuking all labor laws and regulations and let any company do anything with no limits. Capitalism is certainlly profit oriented, but its not anarchy. Giving a foreign entity drastic advantages over your own in like industries to funnel profits to a preferred class of investors is far more fascist than it is capitalist.

ShyGuy 02-09-2014 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1577811)
So you're hoping for a growth inducing VX/NAI code share?

This isn't any more "capitalistic" than the corportist Bank of Boeing foreign airline subsidy. They are circumventing the entire process with their flag of convienience attempt. If you think that is "capitalism" or "freedom" you should be OK with nuking all labor laws and regulations and let any company do anything with no limits. Capitalism is certainlly profit oriented, but its not anarchy. Giving a foreign entity drastic advantages over your own in like industries to funnel profits to a preferred class of investors is far more fascist than it is capitalist.

Of course I'm not hoping for that kind of growth. But by definition I do not see anything about a level playing field or being fair in what capitalism is. It is a cutthroat business in which another will try and do the same as you do but for less overall costs. Their hope will be to profit and over time push you out of business. Anyway, do we really have a right to tell foreigners how they should or shouldn't run their business asides from the obvious FAA safety aspect? If their airline is approved by the FAA for flights into the US, then what legal grounds do we have to stop them? If they are US owned in some way then that changes some things, but if it is 100% foreign, who are we to say what they can charge for tickets or what they pay their crews? The last point you bring up is giving a foreign company advantages? What do you mean by giving them an advantage? If by advantage we are simply allowing to fly to the US, then that really isn't an advantage. An advantage would be giving them free slots at airports or discounts in landing fees, etc.


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