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Rolf 02-06-2014 06:04 PM

Somewhat seperate. Both are unfair to US Airlines and labor. On that note, I wonder if A4A would join us, seeing how both are being hurt by this.

shiznit 02-06-2014 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 1576035)
Somewhat seperate. Both are unfair to US Airlines and labor. On that note, I wonder if A4A would join us, seeing how both are being hurt by this.

Yes. A4A is in support of both issues.

In fact, the "joint filing" by AMR, UAL, LCC, and DAL make reference to specific arguments made in the ALPA filing on NAI.

captjns 02-07-2014 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1576043)
Yes. A4A is in support of both issues.

In fact, the "joint filing" by AMR, UAL, LCC, and DAL make reference to specific arguments made in the ALPA filing on NAI.

I remember about 8 years ago, Aer Lingus and United entered into a similar arrangement. At the end of the day... what happened? It wasn't the protests that shot the arrangement down... pure economics.

TenYearsGone 02-07-2014 10:01 AM

I wonder what kind of pilot will apply for this job?

1) A desperate one, one that is stuck at a low paying regional?

2) One with lots of skeletons in the closet?

3) One that really wants to fly a 787?

Truly amazing how our industry is slowly but surely going the way of the cruising world. I hope all of these petitions and calls to actions will be heard.

TEN

Nantonaku 02-07-2014 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1576458)
I wonder what kind of pilot will apply for this job?

1) A desperate one, one that is stuck at a low paying regional?

2) One with lots of skeletons in the closet?

3) One that really wants to fly a 787?

Truly amazing how our industry is slowly but surely going the way of the cruising world. I hope all of these petitions and calls to actions will be heard.

TEN

What is the pay? Reading through the contract it provides a better QOL than about 90% of US regional jobs. The majority of regional pilots are currently desperate AND stuck at a low paying job (which regional isn't low paying?). If ALPA and US Airline management thought this was a a real threat and wanted to keep US experienced pilots from joining the ranks of places like this they would work to provide livable wages for skilled US pilots and paths to a true career job. As it stands now why would a regional pilot not go work for an airline that is going to pay them a more reasonable salary and provide for a better QOL? And how is this any different, in theory, from all the outsourcing currently going on domestically in the US. You can't have it both ways, be for outsourcing domestically when it benefits you (provides your company with huge profits and bonus checks) but then against it internationally when it could potentially threaten your career.

Justdoinmyjob 02-07-2014 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1576470)
What is the pay? Reading through the contract it provides a better QOL than about 90% of US regional jobs. The majority of regional pilots are currently desperate AND stuck at a low paying job (which regional isn't low paying?)


In order to work for this company, a pilot has to have an EASA certificate. Not too many US regional pilots possess, or are in a position to acquire one.

shiznit 02-07-2014 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 1576169)
I remember about 8 years ago, Aer Lingus and United entered into a similar arrangement. At the end of the day... what happened? It wasn't the protests that shot the arrangement down... pure economics.

A bill was brought forward to prevent future schemes like the Aer Lingus-United set up, and the United/Continental pilots inserted language into their merged contract that prohibited the one that had been in place.

FL370 02-07-2014 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1576458)
I wonder what kind of pilot will apply for this job?

1) A desperate one, one that is stuck at a low paying regional?

2) One with lots of skeletons in the closet?

3) One that really wants to fly a 787?

Truly amazing how our industry is slowly but surely going the way of the cruising world. I hope all of these petitions and calls to actions will be heard.

TEN

Heard from a friend of mine at SAS that a NAS (the Norwegian parent company of NAI) 787 landed in Oslo and the guy on the radio had a fat old Texas growl. Probably someone who took an early out (with pension) whose wife didn't want him home anymore and he went back to work. Sad. We, as pilots, are our own worst enemy at times. Yes, letters sent to all my representatives.

iceman49 02-07-2014 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1576470)
What is the pay? Reading through the contract it provides a better QOL than about 90% of US regional jobs. The majority of regional pilots are currently desperate AND stuck at a low paying job (which regional isn't low paying?). If ALPA and US Airline management thought this was a a real threat and wanted to keep US experienced pilots from joining the ranks of places like this they would work to provide livable wages for skilled US pilots and paths to a true career job. As it stands now why would a regional pilot not go work for an airline that is going to pay them a more reasonable salary and provide for a better QOL? And how is this any different, in theory, from all the outsourcing currently going on domestically in the US. You can't have it both ways, be for outsourcing domestically when it benefits you (provides your company with huge profits and bonus checks) but then against it internationally when it could potentially threaten your career.

ALPA, does not cut the pay checks.

TANSTAAFL 02-07-2014 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1576743)
ALPA, does not cut the pay checks.

The company writes the check, ALPA fills out the amount.


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