Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
Your "rigs" at the Legacy/Major you work >

Your "rigs" at the Legacy/Major you work

Search

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

Your "rigs" at the Legacy/Major you work

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-16-2014 | 02:09 PM
  #11  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 419
Likes: 1
From: Taxi Driver
Default

Originally Posted by CATIII
Thanks ... So how much control does a person have over whether they are on reserve 72 hours or 80?
None. It is never less than 72 or more than 80 and floats with the average line value. In other words, if the ALV is 78 hours, a reserve would get 76 hours. The 72 to 80 is pay, not necessarily how many hours a person is on reserve.
Reply
Old 03-16-2014 | 02:12 PM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,206
Likes: 0
From: DAL FO
Default

Originally Posted by CATIII
Thanks ... So how much control does a person have over whether they are on reserve 72 hours or 80?
The company sets the ALV (Average Line Value) for lineholders each month. This is the avg value of lines built for that category (half will be above and half below.) Reserve pilots are then guaranteed ALV-2 hours, but never less than 72 and never more than 80. Each aircraft/seat (base doesn't matter) has their own ALV every month.

There is a Target Line Value (TLV) that the company has to comply with, which is basically a rolling average of the ALV's. This requires that the company has to manage their high/low months to keep the TLV within a certain window. This keeps them from sticking a fat-staffed category at the lowest ALV year-round. They say that most categories will average a reserve guarantee of 75.5 hours per month when you take into account the high/low ALV months throughout the year. Typically low ALV's are in the winter and high ALV's are in the summer, but it depends on the category.
Reply
Old 03-16-2014 | 04:01 PM
  #13  
Alan Shore's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by CATIII
So how much control does a person have over whether they are on reserve 72 hours or 80?
None. The Company sets the ALV for each position in each month. The reserve guarantee and number of on-call days are based on that ALV. Just as regular lineholders are awarded lines with more flying and more pay when the ALV is higher, reserve lineholders are awarded lines with more on-call days and a higher guarantee.
Reply
Old 03-17-2014 | 01:28 AM
  #14  
Logbook...
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 416
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Shore
None. The Company sets the ALV for each position in each month. The reserve guarantee and number of on-call days are based on that ALV. Just as regular lineholders are awarded lines with more flying and more pay when the ALV is higher, reserve lineholders are awarded lines with more on-call days and a higher guarantee.
How does Delta work with long vs short call reserves?
Reply
Old 03-17-2014 | 02:07 AM
  #15  
Alan Shore's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Tankerhead
How does Delta work with long vs short call reserves?
A reserve pilot is on long call unless he has been converted to short call or assigned rest or a rotation. Out of his 16-18 on-call days per full month of reserve, he may be converted to short call 6-7 times. A short call period can be no longer than 12 hours in a domestic category and no longer than 14 hours (due to FAR 117) in an int'l category.
Reply
Old 03-17-2014 | 11:18 AM
  #16  
JetBlast77's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
From: A320
Default

United:

1 hour of pay for every 2 hours of duty

1 hour of pay for every 3.5 hours away from base

5 hour min day pay per trip (average)

Reserve:

73 hour guarantee

Pilots all start on long call (13 hours). Pilots can be converted to short call 2 times. If converted 3-5 times and unused, one hour is added to guarantee each time, giving a max of 76 hours. Pilots can not be converted more than 5 times
Reply
Old 03-17-2014 | 03:51 PM
  #17  
Thread Starter
just past ETP
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 517
Likes: 0
From: Cruise Captain
Default

I must say, I had rather hoped the trip rigs were a bit better ... We're not far behind from out 2010 contract, but we did focus a lot more on pay then .. Now it's time to get some QOL and unless Alaska broke the 3.5/1 ratio in their last contract we're once again going to be left doing the heavy lifting ...

Someone remind me what those rigs were like for contract 2000? I could swear it was better..
Reply
Old 03-17-2014 | 04:22 PM
  #18  
Saabs's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,450
Likes: 0
From: Airbus button pusher
Default

US Airways east side -

No clue, still utterly disgusted that I'm not pay protected for weather cancellations this winter. 81 hour line turned into 67 hours credit. Pathetic and draconian.
Reply
Old 03-17-2014 | 05:31 PM
  #19  
Alan Shore's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by CATIII
Someone remind me what those rigs were like for contract 2000? I could swear it was better..
Assuming we're talking about Delta, duty and trip rigs are the same now as they were then. Today we have a duty period average of 5:15 vs. a variable minimum per duty period of 5:00 in 2000. Neither applied to reserves. Today we also have an Average Daily Guarantee of 4:30.
Reply
Old 03-17-2014 | 07:18 PM
  #20  
Thread Starter
just past ETP
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 517
Likes: 0
From: Cruise Captain
Default

Originally Posted by bored
I guess our contract isn't so bad after all. I too, thought the industry blew us out of the water with rigs. The thing that kills us at HAL are the inefficient low crediting 3 day west-coast trips. Those are what cause guys to have to waive days off to just hold a bid-line. If we got paid for day 2 of the trip, with a better rig or "min day" those bad boys would be gold on the bid-line, not a detriment.
did you see how next month all the PDX and SFO's are 2 day? But the time on the ground is less than 12 hours ... that's a bit tight, and might cause delays. This may also have to do with the daylight savings time schedule for Summer.

Yeah, I had hopped rigs were in better shape too... we may have to do some heavy lifting (again) to bring those rigs up a bit.. 2010 we did it for hourly pay.. so it's par for the course.

would love to hear from someone at Alaska on what they got in their most recent contract..

I think we need to look more seriously at international overrides and night overrides .. looks like the guys at JetBlue have all of us beat in that department.

A guy flying a trip to Japan or Australia should get a premium over the guy doing the west coast milk runs..
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Southerner
Major
264
02-07-2013 06:28 PM
tomderekc
Flight Schools and Training
25
11-14-2009 03:15 PM
Busboy
Cargo
110
09-18-2007 05:41 PM
ToiletDuck
Hangar Talk
10
02-27-2007 10:35 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices