Your "rigs" at the Legacy/Major you work
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I'm trying to compile some data on the duty / trip rigs at other large airplane 121 carriers.
Not interested in super fine details just a basic bullet point "for dummy's" version will suffice. Would love data from DAL, AS, UAL, and AA guys specifically; but all else welcome. Also any work rule items that translate to pay credit over flying block credit is welcome info.
Just want to make sure I'm informed on what is out there in the "industry average" world before getting wound up about what we must have in 2015 at my carrier HAL.
Thanks gentleman.
Not interested in super fine details just a basic bullet point "for dummy's" version will suffice. Would love data from DAL, AS, UAL, and AA guys specifically; but all else welcome. Also any work rule items that translate to pay credit over flying block credit is welcome info.
Just want to make sure I'm informed on what is out there in the "industry average" world before getting wound up about what we must have in 2015 at my carrier HAL.
Thanks gentleman.
#2
Southwest Airlines' simplified version below. We get paid the highest of....
1. Duty Hour Ratio (DHR): A pilot will receive a minimum of seventy four one hundredths (.74) TFP for each hour on duty or fraction thereof.
2. Duty Period Minimum (DPM): A pilot will receive a minimum of five (5.0) TFP each duty period. The DPM will be applied to each duty period in the pairing.
3. Trip Hour Ratio (THR): A pilot will receive a minimum of one (1.0) TFP for each three hours (3:00) away from domicile (report to release) or fraction thereof. This trip hour period may only be broken by a legal rest break in domicile. THR applies to all reassignments.
4. Average Daily Guarantee (ADG): A pilot will receive a minimum of six and one-half (6.5) TFP times the number of originally scheduled Domicile Days (0300-0259 local domicile time) in a pairing. For multi-duty period pairings, ADG will be applied per Domicile Day or duty period(s), whichever is greater. ADG will be applied per duty period, rather than Domicile Day, for all single duty period pairings and all charters.
To convert Trip For Pay (TFP) to hourly multiply TFP by 1.1394. So 12 year Captain pay of $189.78 TFP x 1.1394= $216.23/hour.
1. Duty Hour Ratio (DHR): A pilot will receive a minimum of seventy four one hundredths (.74) TFP for each hour on duty or fraction thereof.
2. Duty Period Minimum (DPM): A pilot will receive a minimum of five (5.0) TFP each duty period. The DPM will be applied to each duty period in the pairing.
3. Trip Hour Ratio (THR): A pilot will receive a minimum of one (1.0) TFP for each three hours (3:00) away from domicile (report to release) or fraction thereof. This trip hour period may only be broken by a legal rest break in domicile. THR applies to all reassignments.
4. Average Daily Guarantee (ADG): A pilot will receive a minimum of six and one-half (6.5) TFP times the number of originally scheduled Domicile Days (0300-0259 local domicile time) in a pairing. For multi-duty period pairings, ADG will be applied per Domicile Day or duty period(s), whichever is greater. ADG will be applied per duty period, rather than Domicile Day, for all single duty period pairings and all charters.
To convert Trip For Pay (TFP) to hourly multiply TFP by 1.1394. So 12 year Captain pay of $189.78 TFP x 1.1394= $216.23/hour.
#3
Delta has the following:
Duty rig -- 1 for 2 (1 for 1 .75if on duty past 2200)
Trip rig -- 1 for 3.5
Duty period average -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period (does not apply to deadhead-only duty periods); regular lineholders only
Reserve duty period average lookback -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period computed at end of month
Average Daily Guarantee -- 4:30 per calendar day of rotation (first day does not count if rotation reports 2200 or later; last day does not count if rotation releases 0200 or earlier)
Duty rig -- 1 for 2 (1 for 1 .75if on duty past 2200)
Trip rig -- 1 for 3.5
Duty period average -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period (does not apply to deadhead-only duty periods); regular lineholders only
Reserve duty period average lookback -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period computed at end of month
Average Daily Guarantee -- 4:30 per calendar day of rotation (first day does not count if rotation reports 2200 or later; last day does not count if rotation releases 0200 or earlier)
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Southwest Airlines' simplified version below. We get paid the highest of....
1. Duty Hour Ratio (DHR): A pilot will receive a minimum of seventy four one hundredths (.74) TFP for each hour on duty or fraction thereof.
2. Duty Period Minimum (DPM): A pilot will receive a minimum of five (5.0) TFP each duty period. The DPM will be applied to each duty period in the pairing.
3. Trip Hour Ratio (THR): A pilot will receive a minimum of one (1.0) TFP for each three hours (3:00) away from domicile (report to release) or fraction thereof. This trip hour period may only be broken by a legal rest break in domicile. THR applies to all reassignments.
4. Average Daily Guarantee (ADG): A pilot will receive a minimum of six and one-half (6.5) TFP times the number of originally scheduled Domicile Days (0300-0259 local domicile time) in a pairing. For multi-duty period pairings, ADG will be applied per Domicile Day or duty period(s), whichever is greater. ADG will be applied per duty period, rather than Domicile Day, for all single duty period pairings and all charters.
To convert Trip For Pay (TFP) to hourly multiply TFP by 1.1394. So 12 year Captain pay of $189.78 TFP x 1.1394= $216.23/hour.
1. Duty Hour Ratio (DHR): A pilot will receive a minimum of seventy four one hundredths (.74) TFP for each hour on duty or fraction thereof.
2. Duty Period Minimum (DPM): A pilot will receive a minimum of five (5.0) TFP each duty period. The DPM will be applied to each duty period in the pairing.
3. Trip Hour Ratio (THR): A pilot will receive a minimum of one (1.0) TFP for each three hours (3:00) away from domicile (report to release) or fraction thereof. This trip hour period may only be broken by a legal rest break in domicile. THR applies to all reassignments.
4. Average Daily Guarantee (ADG): A pilot will receive a minimum of six and one-half (6.5) TFP times the number of originally scheduled Domicile Days (0300-0259 local domicile time) in a pairing. For multi-duty period pairings, ADG will be applied per Domicile Day or duty period(s), whichever is greater. ADG will be applied per duty period, rather than Domicile Day, for all single duty period pairings and all charters.
To convert Trip For Pay (TFP) to hourly multiply TFP by 1.1394. So 12 year Captain pay of $189.78 TFP x 1.1394= $216.23/hour.
Is there any time when the Average Daily Guarantee of 6.5 TFP would not be the most lucrative guarantee? Could you give an example of when your DPM would pay greater than the ADG? Thanks.
#5
Jetblue-
Time Away From Base- 3.5:1
Duty Time- 2:1
Minimum Duty Period credit- 5:00 (note: no min calendar day credit, argh!)
Night Override- (0100-0500) $13/hr for any scheduled leg touching the 0100-0500 window.
International override- $5.11/$3.71 for CA/FO on any leg requiring a route check (only 2-3 destinations in the company require this)
Time Away From Base- 3.5:1
Duty Time- 2:1
Minimum Duty Period credit- 5:00 (note: no min calendar day credit, argh!)
Night Override- (0100-0500) $13/hr for any scheduled leg touching the 0100-0500 window.
International override- $5.11/$3.71 for CA/FO on any leg requiring a route check (only 2-3 destinations in the company require this)
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DPM does not come into play all that often because most of our trips are productive and do not have a day that pays less than 5TFP all that often.
I have a trip next month where DPM comes into play.
Day 1: Block-5:25. Credit-6.4TFP.
Day 2: Block-2:55. Credit-5.0TFP (Duty Period Minimum)
Day 3: Block-8:05. Credit-9.4TFP
Total-20.8TFP
Day 2 credited at 5TFP because that is the DPM. The day would have credited 3.4 without the DPM. If it were paid only using ADG, the trip would have paid 19.5 or 6.5 ADG x 3=19.5.
Since day 1 at 6.4 added to day 2 at 3.4 added to day 3 at 9.4 equals 19.2 which would trigger the ADG rig and pay only 19.5. But, since day 2 triggered the DPM of 5TFP, the trip paid 20.8 instead of the ADG minimum of 19.5.
There, is it now clear as mud?
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I'm not sure if I completely understand the question, but I think this is what you are getting at.
DPM does not come into play all that often because most of our trips are productive and do not have a day that pays less than 5TFP all that often.
I have a trip next month where DPM comes into play.
Day 1: Block-5:25. Credit-6.4TFP.
Day 2: Block-2:55. Credit-5.0TFP (Duty Period Minimum)
Day 3: Block-8:05. Credit-9.4TFP
Total-20.8TFP
Day 2 credited at 5TFP because that is the DPM. The day would have credited 3.4 without the DPM. If it were paid only using ADG, the trip would have paid 19.5 or 6.5 ADG x 3=19.5.
Since day 1 at 6.4 added to day 2 at 3.4 added to day 3 at 9.4 equals 19.2 which would trigger the ADG rig and pay only 19.5. But, since day 2 triggered the DPM of 5TFP, the trip paid 20.8 instead of the ADG minimum of 19.5.
There, is it now clear as mud?
DPM does not come into play all that often because most of our trips are productive and do not have a day that pays less than 5TFP all that often.
I have a trip next month where DPM comes into play.
Day 1: Block-5:25. Credit-6.4TFP.
Day 2: Block-2:55. Credit-5.0TFP (Duty Period Minimum)
Day 3: Block-8:05. Credit-9.4TFP
Total-20.8TFP
Day 2 credited at 5TFP because that is the DPM. The day would have credited 3.4 without the DPM. If it were paid only using ADG, the trip would have paid 19.5 or 6.5 ADG x 3=19.5.
Since day 1 at 6.4 added to day 2 at 3.4 added to day 3 at 9.4 equals 19.2 which would trigger the ADG rig and pay only 19.5. But, since day 2 triggered the DPM of 5TFP, the trip paid 20.8 instead of the ADG minimum of 19.5.
There, is it now clear as mud?
I get it, actually. Thanks.
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Delta has the following:
Duty rig -- 1 for 2 (1 for 1 .75if on duty past 2200)
Trip rig -- 1 for 3.5
Duty period average -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period (does not apply to deadhead-only duty periods); regular lineholders only
Reserve duty period average lookback -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period computed at end of month
Average Daily Guarantee -- 4:30 per calendar day of rotation (first day does not count if rotation reports 2200 or later; last day does not count if rotation releases 0200 or earlier)
Duty rig -- 1 for 2 (1 for 1 .75if on duty past 2200)
Trip rig -- 1 for 3.5
Duty period average -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period (does not apply to deadhead-only duty periods); regular lineholders only
Reserve duty period average lookback -- 5:15 per qualifying duty period computed at end of month
Average Daily Guarantee -- 4:30 per calendar day of rotation (first day does not count if rotation reports 2200 or later; last day does not count if rotation releases 0200 or earlier)
Do I understand you that you get 5:15 pay for every day of reserve?
Also all of you could tell me what the minimum monthly days off is for line and reserve?
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No. Our monthly reserve guarantee ranges from 72 to 80 hours, depending upon the average line value (ALV) for regular lineholders and the reserve staffing for the category. Likewise, the number of on-call days in a full month ranges from 16 to 18. This makes the daily guarantee range around 4:30.
The reserve lookback duty period average plusses a reserve pilot up to 5:15 per qualifying duty period at the end of the month, but not for every on-call day.
Days off on a reserve line range from 12 to 15, depending upon the ALV and reserve staffing in the category. The only minimum days off guarantee that a lineholder has is that he cannot involuntarily be assigned a line with more than 18 days on a rotation.
The reserve lookback duty period average plusses a reserve pilot up to 5:15 per qualifying duty period at the end of the month, but not for every on-call day.
Days off on a reserve line range from 12 to 15, depending upon the ALV and reserve staffing in the category. The only minimum days off guarantee that a lineholder has is that he cannot involuntarily be assigned a line with more than 18 days on a rotation.
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