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HVYMETALDRVR 07-14-2014 11:22 AM

How senior do you have to be to avoid the latest TDYs as an Airbus or -83 FO?

dawgdriver 07-14-2014 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Uncle Wurmy (Post 1684000)
Alternate universe, perhaps?

I wasn't going to go there, but Wurmy said it well. I don't believe many in the pilot ranks would say he has been an advocate. Most of the deterioration in our relationship, quality of life and income have occurred during his tenure. He's perceived as one who talks much, and listens little.
Nonetheless, our former VP, JC, loved by all, but eventually left as he didn't see eye to eye with the exec leadership.

It won't matter who staffs the middle management ranks, the results will be the same

clunkerdrv 07-14-2014 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by dawgdriver (Post 1684024)
I wasn't going to go there, but Wurmy said it well. I don't believe many in the pilot ranks would say he has been an advocate. Most of the deterioration in our relationship, quality of life and income have occurred during his tenure. He's perceived as one who talks much, and listens little.
Nonetheless, our former VP, JC, loved by all, but eventually left as he didn't see eye to eye with the exec leadership.

It won't matter who staffs the middle management ranks, the results will be the same


"Well back at Northwest........"

CLMP 07-14-2014 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1683959)
Besides GB(who at least at NWA was the best chief pilot/DO we ever had. True pilot advocate. Hopefully he hasn't changed) who else?

Talking to many former NWA pilots, GB seems to be a "love him or hate him" kind of guy. While I agree that the previous DO was well-respected, he and the Chief Pilot were ineffective (at least towards the end). While the CP was never an advocate for the pilots, I think the DO was just worn down over the years of having to tap dance for the ValuJet team at Headquarters. The Lake Charles incident was the final nail in his coffin and he was asked to "retire" in 2010.

I actually was one of the original cheerleaders for our current Chief Pilot and for GB (VP of FLOPS). GB came from an actual airline and I truly believed that he could turn us from a flying club into an real airline. To his credit, there have been a few sporadic operational changes to make our lives easier while flying the line. HOWEVER, together with a Sr. VP of Ops from NWA (who is gone after destroying the operation and cashing in his stock) and a Director of MX Control (also from NWA) they have definitely brought the "NWA of old" philosophy to Allegiant.

Even the current Chief Pilot (who was a senior line pilot and very well-respected) has all but disappeared into the abyss. I had high hopes for him but at the end of the day, he was no match for the 24 year old newly grads who are running FP&A. We are viewed as overpaid whiners who are an obstacle to a stock price which seems to defy the laws of economics.

As recently as a few years back, I would tell everyone that I will stay here until they kick me out. I loved the QOL and although the compensation left much to be desired, I knew there would be consistent improvement (and there was). I felt that I was part of the start of something great. The Allegiant of yesterday is over. What is left is an operation that you would expect to read about in Flying the Line, Vol 1. I am actively seeking employment at a legacy carrier and I hope to escape before the path we are currently on leads to a catastrophe with loss of life. There is still time to turn the ship, but I'm not hopeful.

Packrat 07-14-2014 01:58 PM

Seriously, someone needs to drop a dime to the FAA in DC. It sounds like your POI and PMI have Stockholm Syndrome.

GogglesPisano 07-14-2014 02:24 PM

Call Scary Mary Schiavo.

j3cub 07-14-2014 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1683959)
Besides GB(who at least at NWA was the best chief pilot/DO we ever had. True pilot advocate. Hopefully he hasn't changed) who else?

GB must have turned in his pilot advocate hat when he came here. I have yet to see "best DO we have ever had" material. The downward spiral in our QOL started when he signed on. I can only hope what you say is true and think maybe someone above him pulls his strings. But until he proves otherwise he's one of the worst DOs I have ever had...

dirtysidedown 07-14-2014 03:38 PM

I was one of the many who have turned down the interview at Allegiant. Soon as they told me they do not provide transportation to and from interview and no hotel during training i gave them the thumbs down. This was a while ago and literally drove down the street to my local Home Depot and got a temporary job there instead of dealing with Allegiant ( was between flying jobs at the time). Allegiant might be a good job for a younger single individual with no family.

CLMP 07-14-2014 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by dirtysidedown (Post 1684195)
I was one of the many who have turned down the interview at Allegiant. Soon as they told me they do not provide transportation to and from interview and no hotel during training i gave them the thumbs down. This was a while ago and literally drove down the street to my local Home Depot and got a temporary job there instead of dealing with Allegiant ( was between flying jobs at the time). Allegiant might be a good job for a younger single individual with no family.

I wish everyone would do that. Thank you.

clunkerdrv 07-14-2014 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by CLMP (Post 1684243)
I wish everyone would do that. Thank you.

As far as what management says: "we have a ton of resumes on file" We aren't worried.......:D


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