Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1682025)

You are clueless as to what's going on. I suggest you return to your previous frequency, as you are coming in garbled and stupid.

Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 1682222)

tsquare, I have no dog in this fight I'm not on either side. But your comment came across as the clueless Delta guy who forgot (or never knew) what it's really like at the levels below.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1682337)

Every Allegiant guy/gal I have met are good people. The best friends I have in aviation were from the worst jobs. Comraderie makes it doable. Keep the faith.

Originally Posted by starship (Post 1682256)

Wikipedia's take on ValueJet

The airline went public in June, 1994 after a year of tremendous growth with the addition of 15 aircraft since the first flight in 1993. They became the fastest airline to make a profit in the history of American aviation, earning US$21 million in 1994 alone. In October 1995, ValuJet placed an order with McDonnell Douglas for 50 MD-95 jets (now known as the Boeing 717) with an option for 50 more. To keep costs low, the airline bought many used aircraft from around the world. At the time ValuJet's fleet was among the oldest in the United States, averaging 26 years. In 1995, the airline sued Delta Air Lines and TWA over landing slots.[4]
ValuJet took aggressive measures to hold down operating costs. Its employees were paid well below prevailing market costs. The airline did not own any hangars or spare parts inventories. ValuJet also required pilots to pay for their own training and only paid them after completed flights. It also gave flight attendants only bare-bones training. It also outsourced many functions other airlines handle themselves. For instance, it subcontracted maintenance to several companies, and these companies in turn subcontracted the work to other companies. Whenever delays were caused by mechanics, ValuJet cut the pay of the mechanics working on that plane. [5][6]
Safety problems

In August 1995, the Department of Defense (DoD) rejected ValuJet's bid to fly military personnel. In a scathing report, the DoD cited serious deficiencies in ValuJet's quality assurance procedures.[5]
The Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) Atlanta field office sent a memo on February 14, 1996, to Washington, D.C., stating that "consideration should be given to an immediate FAR-121 re-certification of this airline" - in other words, the FAA wanted ValuJet grounded. ValuJet airplanes made 15 emergency landings in 1994, 57 in 1995, and 57 from January through May 1996. In February the FAA ordered ValuJet to seek approval before adding any new aircraft or cities to their network, something the industry had not seen since deregulation in 1979. This attempt at removing ValuJet's certification was "lost in the maze at FAA" according to NTSB Chairman Jim Hall.[7] By this time, ValuJet's accident rate was not only one of the highest in the low-fare sector, but was more than 14 times that of the legacy airlines.[5]

Originally Posted by dawgdriver (Post 1682516)

The parallels are jaw dropping. Anyone other than the President and CEO would quickly recognize the alarming similarities. They don't see it because they don't take any responsibility for what happened at ValuJet. They blame everyone except themselves. Nonetheless, here they are again, proceeding unabated with the exact same philosophies and mindless, cut-through-the-bone business practices that resulted in the last disaster. Like ValuJet, Wall Street will love them and the feds will be powerless until the inevitable happens again. I really hope I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by Xbone (Post 1682577)

They very masterfully distanced themselves in valujet by outsourcing the maintenance. Wasn’t ValuJet per se that put those canisters on the airplane. Plausible deniability is the name of the game for these cats.

Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 1682371)

+1 Best folks I ever flew with and still keep in touch with

Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1682351)

Thank you. Since he's previous military, he really has no clue.