Hogan Personality FAIL
#51
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These tests are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
You all remember the Depends Diaper Astronaut who drove cross country to catch her cheating husband in the act? Well the selection process really worked for her selection process. Oh what about the Jet Blue Captain who ent on a tear over the skies of Texas? Yep... the shrinks dink test worked there too.
Yep. These tests are fool proof, interpreted by a bunch of nut cases that call themselves experts. Gives new meaning the insane running the asylum.
You all remember the Depends Diaper Astronaut who drove cross country to catch her cheating husband in the act? Well the selection process really worked for her selection process. Oh what about the Jet Blue Captain who ent on a tear over the skies of Texas? Yep... the shrinks dink test worked there too.
Yep. These tests are fool proof, interpreted by a bunch of nut cases that call themselves experts. Gives new meaning the insane running the asylum.
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#54
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Bro: if I were flying in your part of the world with some of those trusty FO's, I'd be micro-sleeping with one eye open. I'm guessing there's not a lot of psycho-killa vigilance over in K-town either. Your job doesn't seem very chilarious, especially when you're beating down Seoul-brothers in the K.
#55
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Here's an interesting read on the subject. It's geared more toward hiring lawyers but I think it's applicable here.
Personality Tests in Employment Selection: Use With Caution ? Cornell HR Review
I've heard of people having their spouses or even others who have already passed the Hogan take the test for them. There's no way United can prove you took the test. Just another hoop to jump through. Very frustrating when you've already been an airline pilot for 10+ years with no problems at all and you don't "fit the bill". They are turning down a lot of good people.
Apparently when United decided to use the Hogan test they gave it to a bunch of management and training pilots to take and set the baseline. People who volunteered with no jeopardy to their job (Ie no pressure). So maybe just put yourself in the mindset of a senior company go-getter pilot when you take it. I've heard from a few United recruiters to "be consistent." One even told me the answers don't matter as long as you are consistent. He said he's taken the test a bunch times for fun.
Seems like a lot of fails on the Hogan. I've heard 30%. It's too bad they don't let you take it again right away to see if there's a fluke. You know, since the test is so infallible and all...
Personality Tests in Employment Selection: Use With Caution ? Cornell HR Review
I've heard of people having their spouses or even others who have already passed the Hogan take the test for them. There's no way United can prove you took the test. Just another hoop to jump through. Very frustrating when you've already been an airline pilot for 10+ years with no problems at all and you don't "fit the bill". They are turning down a lot of good people.
Apparently when United decided to use the Hogan test they gave it to a bunch of management and training pilots to take and set the baseline. People who volunteered with no jeopardy to their job (Ie no pressure). So maybe just put yourself in the mindset of a senior company go-getter pilot when you take it. I've heard from a few United recruiters to "be consistent." One even told me the answers don't matter as long as you are consistent. He said he's taken the test a bunch times for fun.
Seems like a lot of fails on the Hogan. I've heard 30%. It's too bad they don't let you take it again right away to see if there's a fluke. You know, since the test is so infallible and all...
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Good enough for Air Force One and to carry our countries nukes, not good enough for Delta.
Guy I was paired up with in new hire training was a DAL interviewee in '85 IIRC. Didn't get hired from the shrink eval. Found out later that same shrink shot himself in the head sometime after his interview.
Guy I was paired up with in new hire training was a DAL interviewee in '85 IIRC. Didn't get hired from the shrink eval. Found out later that same shrink shot himself in the head sometime after his interview.
#57
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Here's an interesting read on the subject. It's geared more toward hiring lawyers but I think it's applicable here.
Personality Tests in Employment Selection: Use With Caution ? Cornell HR Review
I've heard of people having their spouses or even others who have already passed the Hogan take the test for them. There's no way United can prove you took the test. Just another hoop to jump through. Very frustrating when you've already been an airline pilot for 10+ years with no problems at all and you don't "fit the bill". They are turning down a lot of good people.
Apparently when United decided to use the Hogan test they gave it to a bunch of management and training pilots to take and set the baseline. People who volunteered with no jeopardy to their job (Ie no pressure). So maybe just put yourself in the mindset of a senior company go-getter pilot when you take it. I've heard from a few United recruiters to "be consistent." One even told me the answers don't matter as long as you are consistent. He said he's taken the test a bunch times for fun.
Seems like a lot of fails on the Hogan. I've heard 30%. It's too bad they don't let you take it again right away to see if there's a fluke. You know, since the test is so infallible and all...
Personality Tests in Employment Selection: Use With Caution ? Cornell HR Review
I've heard of people having their spouses or even others who have already passed the Hogan take the test for them. There's no way United can prove you took the test. Just another hoop to jump through. Very frustrating when you've already been an airline pilot for 10+ years with no problems at all and you don't "fit the bill". They are turning down a lot of good people.
Apparently when United decided to use the Hogan test they gave it to a bunch of management and training pilots to take and set the baseline. People who volunteered with no jeopardy to their job (Ie no pressure). So maybe just put yourself in the mindset of a senior company go-getter pilot when you take it. I've heard from a few United recruiters to "be consistent." One even told me the answers don't matter as long as you are consistent. He said he's taken the test a bunch times for fun.
Seems like a lot of fails on the Hogan. I've heard 30%. It's too bad they don't let you take it again right away to see if there's a fluke. You know, since the test is so infallible and all...
I know I would have answered many of the close ones differently, if I wasn't worried about what I thought they wanted to hear for an answer.
At Delta it was all about the rocking chair!
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I think these airlines should pick up the techniques that ADM Rickover (father of the United States Nuclear Navy) used back in the day to interview new officers going into the nuke Navy.
"When interviewing candidates for the nuclear navy, Rickover would, in order to throw them off and test them, seat them in chairs with shortened front legs and at the same time position them so that the sunlight streamed through specially adjusted venetian blinds straight into their eyes. That way “they had to maintain their wits,” he explained, “while they were sliding off the chair" "
"When interviewing candidates for the nuclear navy, Rickover would, in order to throw them off and test them, seat them in chairs with shortened front legs and at the same time position them so that the sunlight streamed through specially adjusted venetian blinds straight into their eyes. That way “they had to maintain their wits,” he explained, “while they were sliding off the chair" "
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Apparently when United decided to use the Hogan test they gave it to a bunch of management and training pilots to take and set the baseline. People who volunteered with no jeopardy to their job (Ie no pressure). So maybe just put yourself in the mindset of a senior company go-getter pilot when you take it. I've heard from a few United recruiters to "be consistent." One even told me the answers don't matter as long as you are consistent. He said he's taken the test a bunch times for fun.
Apparently when United decided to use the Hogan test they gave it to a bunch of management and training pilots to take and set the baseline. People who volunteered with no jeopardy to their job (Ie no pressure). So maybe just put yourself in the mindset of a senior company go-getter pilot when you take it. I've heard from a few United recruiters to "be consistent." One even told me the answers don't matter as long as you are consistent. He said he's taken the test a bunch times for fun.
The answers not mattering as long as you're consistent makes no sense at all. It's not what the hogan was designed for, and why would United spend tens of thousands of dollars to only glean which applicants can't keep their lies straight?
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I believe the part about a bunch of management and training pilots being involved in the creation of the baseline. What hogan recommends is using your successful employees to build the baseline of what you're looking for. It isn't a stretch to think that pilots that have been able to get positions as training captains and chief pilots would be considered successful.
The answers not mattering as long as you're consistent makes no sense at all. It's not what the hogan was designed for, and why would United spend tens of thousands of dollars to only glean which applicants can't keep their lies straight?
The answers not mattering as long as you're consistent makes no sense at all. It's not what the hogan was designed for, and why would United spend tens of thousands of dollars to only glean which applicants can't keep their lies straight?
Um...because...if/when you dork it up, and CNN sticks a camera and microphone in your face, you need to be...
Consistent (and convincing).
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