Middle East carrier subsidies
03-10-2015 | 10:14 PM
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IMO there is a flaw in your logic. If I'm reading your posts right, you think that all the carriers that used bankruptcy reorganization should have gone out of business. I would counter that and say once the first one (and possibly the second) had actually liquidated and gone out of business, the other carriers would have survived for a couple of reasons not the least of which is less competition as well as being able to price the product without a carrier protected by bankruptcy reorganization.
The basic premise of this thread is about whether the ME-3 carriers have received massive UNDER THE TABLE subsidies from their respective governments. I will stipulate that there have been times that US Airlines have received help from the U.S. Government, after 9-11 being one of them. But any way you slice it, they have been above board, legal by our laws, and above all, transparent. Can the same be said for the ME-3?
Denny
The basic premise of this thread is about whether the ME-3 carriers have received massive UNDER THE TABLE subsidies from their respective governments. I will stipulate that there have been times that US Airlines have received help from the U.S. Government, after 9-11 being one of them. But any way you slice it, they have been above board, legal by our laws, and above all, transparent. Can the same be said for the ME-3?
Denny
And, yes, I agree that bankrupt companies should generally liquidate, and I also agree it would likely result in fewer bankruptcies.
03-10-2015 | 10:24 PM
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Oh, and as to your second point, Delta would still be around, I believe we were the third major/legacy to enter bankruptcy.
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03-11-2015 | 02:59 AM
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The sponsorship of such events isn't the problem. It's the gladhanding of elected officials at said events. And yes, I agree, other airlines do it and yes, it is wrong.
03-11-2015 | 05:48 AM
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03-11-2015 | 05:55 AM
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Shouldn't the discussion along these lines accept that politics and economics are intertwined? Shouldn't the discussion attempt to understand the underlying and unstated drivers of US political decisions that favor foreign companies at the expense of US companies. Isn't that the issue?
03-11-2015 | 09:13 AM
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Shouldn't the discussion along these lines accept that politics and economics are intertwined? Shouldn't the discussion attempt to understand the underlying and unstated drivers of US political decisions that favor foreign companies at the expense of US companies. Isn't that the issue?
03-11-2015 | 09:32 AM
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Good points ... That would make the discussion more apples to apples, but then the US Big 3 will need to be open in ways they curry political favor and get advantages in the US that foreign airlines don't enjoy. Honestly, I don't know what those are, but surely cabotage is one that comes to mind?
The US Government is supposed to PROTECT and suppoert the Citizens of the USA, not to support a foreign entity that shows up in Washington DC with a boat load of cash for 'Re-election Campaign Contributions' and building hospitals, at the expense of US Jobs.
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03-11-2015 | 09:46 AM
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Good points ... That would make the discussion more apples to apples, but then the US Big 3 will need to be open in ways they curry political favor and get advantages in the US that foreign airlines don't enjoy. Honestly, I don't know what those are, but surely cabotage is one that comes to mind?
From what you post, I get the feeling you would be okay with open skies let timing any carrier fly any where they want in the domestic United States. Be careful what you wish for.......it could affect you too.
Denny
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