Deal. NRT is dying anyway. SEA and long range ETOPS airplanes will see to that.

 

So you don't care that your actions possibly slit the throats of your fellow ALPA pilots at FedEx? as well as the pilots at UPS?


TP

 

Nice spin. You are a bigger threat to all of us.

 

I'll give you credit, this very well may happen if ALPA is successful.

 

What the ME3 are on the path towards doing is on scale far worse than anything we've ever seen. Something has to be done or our airlines will be a husk of what they are now.

And NRT 5th freedom flying is rapidly on the decline.

Empty threat.

ME3 has to be stopped. Period.

Cargo will be flown regardless. True country to country bilateral open skies (as opposed to the insane one sided capacity barfing of the ME3) will by nature include US cargo carriers. Big time.

Empty threat.

 

Why does Japan and China care what we do to the ME3 that are not following the current rules? Every airline in the world other than the ME carriers are following the rules. Why do they think they can just not follow the rules? Even Norwegian Air Shuttle is at least trying to follow the rules.

Besides, Japan has already basically stopped DAL's 5th freedom rights by moving to Haneda. UAL still has some access due to the Star Alliance. I have no clue how FedEx operates China, but doubt forcing the ME carriers to comply with the current treaties would change any of that.

 

It's the law of unintended consequences.

ALPA's shortsighted strategy against RJs and this issue have many comparisons.

The President of FedEx wrote a letter to the government in support of open skies because he understands how important their 5th and 7th freedom flying are to the company.

You just clearly stated, "I have no clue how FedEx operates". So you also have no clue how these actions could adversely affect another ALPA unit.

I suggest you and your cohorts go get a clue before you hurt yourselves; thousands of other American pilots; and tens of thousands of American workers.


Typhoonpilot

 

Interjet and Volaris of Mexico pay $4500/month for A320 captains. They currently fly to many destinations in the USA. Avianca/TACA and Lan/TAM pay A320, A330, and 787 captains in the $7000-8000/month range and they currently fly to many U.S. destinations. Their other workers are on similar low percentage basis as compared with U.S. counterparts. Yet they are somehow not a threat?

News flash: There has never been a level playing field in aviation. Remember all those state owned and oft bailed out airlines elsewhere? Alitalia ring a bell? Air India?

Korean, Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Vietnam Airlines, Thai, Malaysian, Singapore, and many others have varying degrees of direct and indirect support from their respective governments.

The ME3 are providing a service in a markets that were clearly under-served or not served well enough by U.S. and European airlines. Instead of running and hiding behind protectionist policies maybe the U.S. and European carriers can design a competitive response that will serve the market's needs.

Typhoonpilot


Key - shortsighted strategy and xenophobic racist rant from Gloopy in three, two, one .................................................. .................

 

The Narita 5th freedoms are a derivative of the documents signed on the deck of the Missouri, updated in 1952. The 5th freedoms in Cologne a spinoff of the Potsdam accords with mods when the wall came down, and Guangzhou country entries a separately negotiated bilateral...Violated or abrogated open skies agreements with arab countries will have no effect on any of them.

 

None of the airlines you mentioned have dumped capacity on the market to the extent the me have. None. The US airlines are making money now precisely because they have figured out that dumping capacity into the system is the quickest way to tumble those profits. It's idiocy. Unless of course you have state backing to be able to withstand losses until your competition bleeds out. And interestingly enough, you are buying that equipment with US taxpayer funding. No, nothing at all wrong with what your overlords are doing.