4th Level

So answer the question.

Do you intend to take this out on your co-workers? If so, how?

Do you intend to take this out on SWAPA? If so, how?

Do you intend to take this out on SWA? If so, how?

And while you're throwing out statements of intended revenge against persons and organizations, why don't you man up from behind your keyboard and post your employee number.

1Seat 1Engine

For any of you spectators any Former AirTran that I've actually met on the line are NOTHING like the Whahmaster. (cue Whah telling me they're all inbriefed on what to say and have exceptional EMCON, even when drinking at the bar).

Tons of them are not shy in telling people how ecstatic they are to be at SWA. (All part of the briefed cover story...right Whah?)

The Whinemaster will tell you he got a paycut...from the pay raise he got from SWA when they first bought AT, and that pay raise was in Lieu of an authorized strike that he was hopefully saving his money for. So it's not really an apples-apples comparison, and he shoulda had that strike fund to carry him through the cold cold winter.

I have to laugh though because the most senior FO in PHX is a former AT dude who is pretty active in the open time business. I'm certain he's making more than he did as a Capt at AT. He's told guys he's not going to upgrade to Capt at SWA because he's got it better right where he is. (Actually the senior FO's at almost every SWA base now are Former AT Capts). Good for them I say!

Whahmaster's got a great job and a better future. He has way more scheduling flexibility than before. He has a better chance of being a VERY senior capt making money he NEVER would have made at AT. And is living proof at how some people can land on their feet in a pile of money and still be angry.

His is a cautionary tale young pilots!

OscartheGrouch

I couldn't agree more 80kts. At this point in the SWA/AAI story nothing will satisfy those with huge chips on their shoulders. So it is flat out hilarious entertainment.

A technique for all that I suggest is know who you are flying with. The WM and others with similar vendettas say they will get even. You have to believe what a person says so I suggest you treat everyone with respect and let those who wish to do us ill try their best. Do your job to the best of your abilities and don't let anyone get away with mistreating any fellow employee. Even with the mixed up employee numbers I know if they are former AT.

That being said, with the exception of one person, EVERY former AT pilot I have flown with has been great.

The Oscar

OscartheGrouch

4th,

It is much easier to remain a coward and throw s...t all over everybody. Threats or promises from the WM earn him or her the title. At least on the SWAPA forum you have to be civil and threats are not tolerated because your identity is known. It would be nice to know who is spring loaded to stab you in the back.

The Oscar

shoelu

Of course I see "some" of his points of view. I understand that no one likes to get their cheese moved. If I was a senior captain living in base and driving to work instead of commuting this whole deal would be a large and upsetting career disruption. He most likely wishes that the whole acquisition never took place, that is a belief I wholeheartedly share. If I had the ability to shoot the deal down, I gladly would have. I would have been quite content to soldier along and wait for organic growth as opposed to growth through acquisition.

The problem is the vitriol he spews against the common line pilot that had just as little input to the process as he experienced. The vast majority of pilots on either side had little to no involvement in the direct negotiation of this deal other than one vote for yes or no.

The offers in this agreement came directly from Southwest management NOT SWAPA. SWA was invited into the negotiations directly through the process agreement. If anyone remotely believes that the average line pilot had ANY input as to how and why the company negotiated this deal they are absolutely delusional. The negotiating committees came together and hammered out a deal with Southwest management, not with each other. Whether or not that was the best way of proceeding is anyone's guess, but hindsight is 20/20. If either union wished to exclude SWA from being involved in the process it should have been laid out in the process agreement considering the fact that that document is specifically written in order to shape the way negotiations proceed.

It seems that Whack wants to blame everyone but ALPA and his fellow union members for this deal, when in actuality the vast majority of pilots had exactly zero input to the process or exactly the same amount of influence he was able to put forth.

blakman7

It took 4 pages but someone finally got it.

Sa227capt

It is the idle threats in his post that negate any positive thought. Therein lies the problem...

4th Level

Yup.

Still waiting for him to man-up and post his employee number.

MatthewAMEL

4th...dismiss him.

We all know who he is and have gotten used to filtering him out of conversations held here, on the ATN MEC board and the SWAPA board.

For myself, with the exception of losing my spot in Orlando (which I get back in July), SWA has been awesome.

Of course, I'm just a lowly 88.4% seniority guy.

BTW - my screen name is my ACTUAL name. No one has ever had a problem figuring out who I am.

Thunder1

Matthew,
Please check your PM's. Thanks.

Thunder1