falcon2000aj

I'm sorry.. But there's no way the company is going to actually admit what happened! Our stock price will plummet and you can forget about future ac financing. As far as ALPA goes... It would be nice for JA to come clean and tell us why he did what he did and what we are going to get from it! I assume we will get absolutely zero.. But what do I know.

Dr Pepper

Yep definitely need more communication there has to be more to the story than we have heard. As far as the stock goes I dont see any way it doesnt tank. At the next earning call they are going to have to explain the mass cancellations and lost money (which should be staggering).
I think the institutional investors are smart enough to figure out there was more going on than a little bad weather.

Jamers

I'm half expecting investors will ask about the labor disturbances that caused the melt down. Nothing spooks stockholders more than a strike or work action that disrupts revenue. We aren't out of the woods yet. We're to blame and it will be held against us during negotiations.

Lemonade

Your point is reasonable. Instead of getting appreciation for helping we will actually get bame. Since the problem was resolved after agreeing to modify our work rules therefore we were the cause.

Very clever Ackerman. A giant step backwards.

Softpayman

I think I get what you're saying.

How can you say if all work groups had a better CBA with better work rules (better for the employee right?) that this problem would be averted? To me better work rules would further hamstring the company's efforts to get chaotic disruptions back on track.

I think the right tree to bark up is they need to staff correctly, ticket counters, phone lines etc and invest in the needed infrastructure.

Dr Pepper

They can try to blame this on us but they know the contract, nothing has changed in years, why couldn't they handle a little weather when everybody else could? Management has sold Wall Street a broken cost model and unrealistic operating margins. They need to spend money NOW to fix it. If they don't these meltdowns will increase in size until they cant recover.

Car Ramrod

Whether or not they asked for relief before is irrelevant. Prior to this most recent event I don't think the MEC would even entertain the idea of sending it out to a vote. The IROP over the past few days was pretty bad by any standard, and something had to be done to get the ship back on track. If it had been allowed to be taken to a vote, the time it would have taken to do that probably would have caused the operaton to shut down, and a "yes" vote would have been a moot point. I don't like how it was done, but it did work. I am just frustrated by the whole situation. The reason for this IROP is because management was being too cheap and not investing in infrastructure- Most importantly crew scheduling. Lack of quantity (and quality) schedulers is at least 90% of the reason behind the IROP. Then they were still being cheap by asking for relief from our contract. The best solution was to place every open trip (for both pilots and FAs) in Flica with a 200% premium attached to it and the mess would have been fixed in a matter of hours. Instead they asked for relief from our contract and it took a couple of days. And cost the company much more money. Some of that money could have been in our pocket.

I agree that management has set us on this crash course for some time now. I am honestly not surprised by this most recent meltdown. I know management is blaming it on the weather/ staffing etc, but hopefully this is a lesson for them that being cheap doesn't always save you the most money.
Now back to the original topic: If Ackerman should have told them to pound sand, how would that help/ hurt us as we go into negotiations? I guarantee the company would have used it as an excuse to stall or offer well below what we deserve in the next contract. Is it going to help us in negotiations? Doubt it... We have just witnessed that they will spend an insane amount of capital, and do whatever they have to do to make sure we don't get any piece of the pie. Either way I think we are screwed. #updatingmylogbook

ShopVac

I still dont believe that waiving section 25 fixed the problem. I believe that canceling 100 flights fixed the problem. Think about it.

A320Flyer

Nobody can ever blame us DFW folks. Our rep candidates supported by the overwhelming majority here, lost to him during that 77 election debacle a little while back. The "no DFW having a local election" affair, remember? LEC 77 is all from LAS. 100% clean conscience here.

A320Flyer

Applies to my previous post above. And correction: Andy B. (DFW) ran for captain rep, lost to Ryan P. (LAS) and John R. (DFW) ran for FO rep and lost to the current MEC chairman, J.A. (LAS).
100% clean conscience in DFW. I still can't believe I operated under a void contract.