Spirit MEC Emergency Relief
06-26-2015, 08:18 PM
#221
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A320
Posts: 111
Originally Posted by Rainbows
More than the couples of weeks they've been in office so far. Give em chance,,we throw them out and start again, we're gonna look like a bunch of chumps, a bunch of impatient little kids.
06-26-2015, 08:29 PM
#222
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: Low paid Airbus gear slinger
Posts: 815
There's one new person on the NC and there is absolutely no way anyone can compare the conditions for C2010 to C2015. Completely different, in fact the only thing that remains the same is the name on the side of the plane (although the color is different). I'd like to see a TA from this NC before we start calling for their heads. Besides, who are we going to put on the NC with any experience? Anyone have ideas? I've heard a lot of "replace them!" but not a lot of plan after that, except the vague, replace them with someone who knows what they're doing.
06-26-2015, 08:41 PM
#223
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by Rainbows
There's one new person on the NC and there is absolutely no way anyone can compare the conditions for C2010 to C2015. Completely different, in fact the only thing that remains the same is the name on the side of the plane (although the color is different). I'd like to see a TA from this NC before we start calling for their heads. Besides, who are we going to put on the NC with any experience? Anyone have ideas? I've heard a lot of "replace them!" but not a lot of plan after that, except the vague, replace them with someone who knows what they're doing.
There is nothing I hate more than liars.
06-26-2015, 08:49 PM
#224
Swearing at the FMA
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: MD-88 FO
Posts: 902
Email says the $46M gap is attributable to pay rate gap and retirement contributions in the final year of the agreement.
This wording is bothersome to me, because it sounds like this is a "path to parity by DOS +4" approach. By the time we hit DOS +4, the others will have already raised the bar. "Path to parity" in terms of pay and retirement is too slow.
Does anyone else read it this way?
This wording is bothersome to me, because it sounds like this is a "path to parity by DOS +4" approach. By the time we hit DOS +4, the others will have already raised the bar. "Path to parity" in terms of pay and retirement is too slow.
Does anyone else read it this way?
06-26-2015, 08:50 PM
#225
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: Low paid Airbus gear slinger
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by Lemonade
Sorry man but you have no idea who you are dealing with. Our NC us playing us as fools. They led us to believe that there was a imminent meeting of the minds with the company after their 'talks' with the company. You realize it just isn't true, right? After all, we just finished the survey. Does the time line sound right to you?
There is nothing I hate more than liars.
There is nothing I hate more than liars.
06-26-2015, 08:56 PM
#226
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by Rainbows
No, the time line sounds off, in that you're right. I don't know who I'm dealing with, I ain't ever met any of the NC. But, I know that two of them have experience. I regard myself as a pretty smart guy, a straight shooter. I'll be a member of the NC then. I don't have a clue of what I'm doing, never negotiated for anything but a used car, but if it's really easy, I'm game. All I'm saying is let's see the TA they bring us. If it's grossly poor, or severely lacking, then I'm all for dumping them and starting over. But until them, I don't have a problem letting them negotiate OUR wishes. The survey time and such does bother me though, you make a good point. And that email today didn't tell me much more than the last update did.
06-26-2015, 09:31 PM
#227
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 173
Originally Posted by Lemonade
Sorry man but you have no idea who you are dealing with. Our NC us playing us as fools. They led us to believe that there was a imminent meeting of the minds with the company after their 'talks' with the company. You realize it just isn't true, right? After all, we just finished the survey. Does the time line sound right to you?
There is nothing I hate more than liars.
There is nothing I hate more than liars.
06-26-2015, 09:39 PM
#228
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 67
Originally Posted by WelcomeToBen
You do realize that you sound like a lunatic, right? You act like there is some elaborate conspiracy between the NC and the company. What on earth does the NC have to gain from "lying" to the pilot group? They are all volunteers dude. I understand that you may not agree with the direction they are going, or some of the decisions they make, but it certainly doesn't mean there is some sort of diabolical conspiracy being hatched to screw all of us out of a fair contract.
That's enough for me.
06-26-2015, 11:03 PM
#229
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,420
Originally Posted by kansas
Email says the $46M gap is attributable to pay rate gap and retirement contributions in the final year of the agreement.
This wording is bothersome to me, because it sounds like this is a "path to parity by DOS +4" approach. By the time we hit DOS +4, the others will have already raised the bar. "Path to parity" in terms of pay and retirement is too slow.
Does anyone else read it this way?
This wording is bothersome to me, because it sounds like this is a "path to parity by DOS +4" approach. By the time we hit DOS +4, the others will have already raised the bar. "Path to parity" in terms of pay and retirement is too slow.
Does anyone else read it this way?
It's a question I have yes but until details come out I don't think we can accurately say what is meant there
06-27-2015, 01:40 AM
#230
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
Originally Posted by InTrail
Lemonade is not that far off. For anyone that was at the 2010 roadshow you would understand. These are the guys that swore Spirit would never go public, and threatened to quit if we voted No.
That's enough for me.
That's enough for me.
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