reddog25

Tom, as one who has been at a mainline before the RJ craze started I see it a bit differently. Mainline pilots were never against flying the RJs...Hell I'd fly a DC-3 from MSP-SAN. Makes no difference to most pilots. We were against the low pay that the airlines wanted to pay the pilots of RJs. If airlines were willing to pay decent wages then mainline pilots would have been flying them...Ripper

reddog25

AA has never liked the 100 seat market. BAC-111, F-100s, all gone. Replacing the DC-9-80s (140+ seats) with the E-195 (95-110 seats) will not be in their master plan...except at Eagle......To replace the large number of DC-9-80s at AA would take a lot of $$$ unless you buy some carrier currently in CH-11 that has about 150 A-319/320s and staple those pilots at the bottom of APAs list.....Hmmmmmmm .......Ripper

Velocipede

Wrong. Seems your critical thinking skills are overshadowed by your emotion.

Each Union MEC votes for the package they think is best for their members. Then the members agree to it via membership ratification.

Because of bankruptcy or other considerations, the Unions have been forced to lower their wages to B6 levels. All that came about through negotiation (or bankruptcy court rulings!).

Each individual MEC has to deal with the realities of their respective Companies. B6 guys signed on knowingly to a non-union carrier that was undercutting Union contracts.

They did it for the promise of a quick upgrade and stock options. Pretty much the same line of thinking that scabs use when the cross a picket line. And they use the same excuse, "I had to feed my family."

Remember, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.

Velocipede

So, anyone who doesn't adhere to the party line should not be allowed to participate?

Does that make you a Nazi or a Communist? Because those are the main political organizations who appreciate "groupthink".

SharkyBN584

Just to toss something out regarding how this whole topic started. The E170 and E190 are not considered "Regional Jets" by the manufacturer. Embraer dropped the "RJ" at the 145. It just so happens that regional airlines are flying them...which I wish was not the case....

RedBaron007

The problem is not who flies on the airplane (or even those who fly the airplane), but the intent management has to contract out such flying. Even though the same people might fly on a CRJ-700, it's a different number. By contracting such work out to Regional airlines, the mainline operations are keeping workers out of their seniority lists for longer - and by doing so, the airlines can keep payscales down.

I'm not saying there's not a market for the 70-something CRJ-700, or some comparably sized ERJ; what I am saying is the motive behind using such aircraft is despicable.

Also, I've been curious about the useful loads of the ERJ-170/175/190/195 and comparable CRJs. Maybe someone might be able to enlighten me. Thanks.

RedBaron007

Thanks for that. I never realized it, and it makes so much sense.

reCALcitrant

Sir,

Though his means are not the most diplomatic, Velocipede brings up an interesting point. BTW Velocipede, I respect your position on our profession and how to get it back. Though the MEC's don't necessarily consider JB guys scabs, there are a lot who think GoJets was as close as you get. In that regard, a non union airline in an industry which is union heavy benefits from unions fighting for higher wages etc. without the costs or risks of strike. JB competes directly with my airline on many routes. I.E. They can charge a lower price b/c of no unions. Though it is good for the consumer, I don't give a rat's ass about the consumer when it comes to my paycheck. I have worked for 11 years (many people take much longer) honing my skills and knowledge to make the big bucks. Notice, this is as long as most Doc's and I am responsible for a hell of lot more. Therefore, anybody out there in it for the short haul (JB) able to operate with little expense by borrowing and then declare bankruptcy (good possibility one day) is hurting my profession. I, like Velocipede don't take kindly to that. Doesn't mean I hate the guys, just don't respect what they are doing to my wallet.

shackone

It can be confusing. The ATP type rating that we see for the 145 is a 'EMB-145' rating...and the 170 ratings we give are 'ERJ-170/190' ratings.

Embraer is marketing the series as something in between a RJ and mainline jet.

As was pointed out earlier, the term 'small narrowbody' is much better.

HSLD

Of course not, if everyone on the forum was spouting off the same ideas it would be pretty boring around here. As I mentioned in my PM to you, all I ask is that you keep it civil (i.e. comply with the forum terms of service).

If that's too much to ask of you - nobody is forcing you to post here.