ERJ-190 really a "regional" jet?
01-27-2007, 01:37 PM
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Therefore, anybody out there in it for the short haul (JB) able to operate with little expense by borrowing and then declare bankruptcy (good possibility one day) is hurting my profession.
I, like Velocipede don't take kindly to that. Doesn't mean I hate the guys, just don't respect what they are doing to my wallet.
01-27-2007, 03:42 PM
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01-27-2007, 05:07 PM
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I agree with some of what you say and disagree with the rest.
I agree that we are not here to have cushy jobs. The company exists for its owners. But employees and customers are never far from the equation.
With that said, I don't believe that flying RJs around is in fact the most efficient way of doing business. They are for certain markets.
But at which point do we say that an RJ is no longer an RJ?
If the airlines could they would probably simply sell seats and contract ALL the flying out. "Regional" has become the word for all airplanes contracted out. What if United said, "Our 747s are too expensive to operate. We are going to look for a supplier and simply sell the seats as 'United International'", but to the lowest bidder?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the airplane when it comes to the EMB jets. The passengers like them. I like them. The pilots evidently like them.
The problem is with how different airplanes are being used to lower the bar when it comes to the profession. It used to be 50-seat jets. Now 70-seat jets are the norm. Where is the line drawn?
I understand your point about making money. But I also understand that pilots need to earn a living and the larger and larger so-called "Regional" jets are being used to drive down pilot salaries. I do not feel this is appropriate.
The problem is not with the jets, it is with how they are being used and marketed.
I agree that we are not here to have cushy jobs. The company exists for its owners. But employees and customers are never far from the equation.
With that said, I don't believe that flying RJs around is in fact the most efficient way of doing business. They are for certain markets.
But at which point do we say that an RJ is no longer an RJ?
If the airlines could they would probably simply sell seats and contract ALL the flying out. "Regional" has become the word for all airplanes contracted out. What if United said, "Our 747s are too expensive to operate. We are going to look for a supplier and simply sell the seats as 'United International'", but to the lowest bidder?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the airplane when it comes to the EMB jets. The passengers like them. I like them. The pilots evidently like them.
The problem is with how different airplanes are being used to lower the bar when it comes to the profession. It used to be 50-seat jets. Now 70-seat jets are the norm. Where is the line drawn?
I understand your point about making money. But I also understand that pilots need to earn a living and the larger and larger so-called "Regional" jets are being used to drive down pilot salaries. I do not feel this is appropriate.
The problem is not with the jets, it is with how they are being used and marketed.
So it starts with the air fares.
Ok I'am off my soap box now
01-29-2007, 10:11 AM
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I guess it takes an idiot to judge and idiot. His posts are only negative(as are mine) because of the sad state of our industry. Funny how certain peops only consider valid the posts that THEY agree with. As for SWA capt: your response is apples and oranges. Veloc. is not saying that anyone that works below SWA wages is a scab. But those who work for ridiculous wages may very well be just that.
01-29-2007, 10:33 AM
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But those who work for ridiculous wages may very well be just that.
It's funny you rip on your own roots now that you've made it to a 'career major.'
You flew the Saab for Eagle. Like any regional, that job you had also paid sh*tty wages.
Let me guess. You're the type of UPS F/O who holds her head up high, and actually looks down upon any Eagle F/Os walking around the airport, thinking you are almighty and superior above and beyond them.
Look around. Those were your roots. That's where you came from.
01-29-2007, 11:25 AM
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Up until you got your new contract at UPS, your starting salary for any UPS jet was around $26k and some change.
It's funny you rip on your own roots now that you've made it to a 'career major.'
You flew the Saab for Eagle. Like any regional, that job you had also paid sh*tty wages.
Let me guess. You're the type of UPS F/O who holds her head up high, and actually looks down upon any Eagle F/Os walking around the airport, thinking you are almighty and superior above and beyond them.
Look around. Those were your roots. That's where you came from.
It's funny you rip on your own roots now that you've made it to a 'career major.'
You flew the Saab for Eagle. Like any regional, that job you had also paid sh*tty wages.
Let me guess. You're the type of UPS F/O who holds her head up high, and actually looks down upon any Eagle F/Os walking around the airport, thinking you are almighty and superior above and beyond them.
Look around. Those were your roots. That's where you came from.
01-29-2007, 11:55 AM
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They have a valid point. $100k and very high seniority is not something they are willing to give up to come to UPS at $33/hr and bottom of the list reserve.
It's all about QOL. Surely you must understand that.
01-29-2007, 02:24 PM
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As for SWA capt: your response is apples and oranges. Veloc. is not saying that anyone that works below SWA wages is a scab. But those who work for ridiculous wages may very well be just that.
Remember: "IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, ITS A DUCK!!!"
01-29-2007, 03:13 PM
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Good Luck!
The new EMB170/190 looks great, brand new paint/shining. just like my Airbus just fewer seats. I would have prefered my company to fly them and have mainline keep the flying but mgt. wanted a dirt cheap rate to operate them so our feeder is going to fly them instead. I would have flown the darn thing if the pay was more then what I am at now, so why do I need another paycut just to fly a stupid little airplane. No thank you!!! I will keep my Airbus at the mainline and go on with life, make the best of QOL. I can only wish you well in your new airplanes that the mainline bought you and be prepared to sit in your EMB170/190 alittle longer then my time at the regionals compared to the old days. For those still stuck at the Regional level, good luck and I hope you get on at the mainline or somerwhere that pays you well for your skills.
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