LH has a true ab-initio program which train the zero to heroes. The pilots recruited by LH are LH employees and indoctrinated in the culture of the airline.

KLM has a similar program. The applicant undergoes an extensive selection process. Successful applicants are provided wit KLM Approved pilot training centers. However, I believe, the student pays for their basic training. They have to demonstrate a minimum level of performance before commencing training with KLM.

Oxford Aviation provides training for zero to heroes too. However FR, EZJet, require an assessment prior to being accepted into their training at the expense of the trainee.

Asian and ME carriers are following suit.

That said Jetdriver where is the merit in your statement?

About a year after this program starts, they will say they couldn't find any US candidates for the program. They will then start importing workers from abroad.

really? I don't know if I should give you a tin foil hat or give you a big hug and tell you everything is going to be okay.

Wow, you want to negotiate your own cba with a scheduler? First time union member?

Endgame...what happens in 2020? Let's see...that is the beginning of the mass retirement decade at all the majors. JB is starting this ab initio strictly for their own benefit. These "candidates" will receive a loan package from JB that will indenture them to JetBlue for years. Here's how it will play out: JB will "award" these candidates loans and assign them to XYZ Academy. XYZ will be very expensive but they will be training the "best". Later as instructors at XYZ they will be paid minimum wage and defer these large loans that will continue to accrue interest. After 4 years they will be hired at JB and begin paying back the loans through payroll deduction (BA currently has a 7 year payback for their Ab initio program). JB will "subsidize" these loans thus, if they are broken or paid back early the fiscal penalty will be severe. Cheap labor that is not mobile with a machine in place to continue output. CHECKMATE!

Nope, you missed completely the point. But that's ok.
I am saying that once a rule is in place (FSM or CBA) I don't want it to be violated by a scheduler with the only hope of few bucks next year.
I want the option to bargain my way in or out of it.
That is the way is done in many other places.
Why you prefer to negotiate for me? And get me what? Money?
What about my time? What if I don't like what you settle for?

Ok, now that is truly scary.

I understand completely the point.
You want to shaft your fellow pilots by making side deals outside the CBA. You need a little ALPA 101. Your CBA will probably have a clause prohibiting you from making deals, and it should.

We have this problem at our shop. Guys who live in LAX that are based at SFO, but call scheduling and just ask for LAX reserve. They sit reserve here, while at home, and CS saves on hotel and per diem costs and keep LAX staffed at what they want. Sure, it helps the individual pilot but it's violating seniority, the pilot work rule book, and is a classic example of a pilot screwing other pilots.