Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 1981675)

the military trains until they find an aircraft and speed the student can handle

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 1981939)

Allen you inferred that the military doesn't lose pilots in training, they just dumb them down to an easier piece of equipment...

Your point has been pointed out to be quite incorrect. just put some mustard on your toe, the foot in your mouth will taste better.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 1981939)

Allen you inferred that the military doesn't lose pilots in training, they just dumb them down to an easier piece of equipment...

Your point has been pointed out to be quite incorrect. just put some mustard on your toe, the foot in your mouth will taste better.

Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 1980564)

I understand completely the point.
You want to shaft your fellow pilots by making side deals outside the CBA. You need a little ALPA 101. Your CBA will probably have a clause prohibiting you from making deals, and it should.

Originally Posted by likeitis (Post 1980572)

You must be new to all this. I know of zero pilot union contracts that don't follow fly now grieve later. Yes Delta, United, American, etc. I'm pretty sure it is federal law under RLA. Not sure how you really could do it different unless we pay to have the system board on call permanently to judge grievances instantaneously. As someone said, I don't want individual pilots negotiating their own deals. Actually as this happens the company will use it against us and when someone files a legitimate grievance they will throw all the data out there to show a pattern of non-compliance. Fast way to lose a grievance when the company shows that the pilots aren't following their own contract.

Originally Posted by BlueBlood (Post 1981971)

Nope, you got it wrong. Look how they do it at Spirit. And don't tell me they are not ALPA strong.
What if they call me with something outside the CBA, and I ask more then what I would get with a grievance AND for an extra day off?
The guy just taking the flight and grieving it later is shafting me.
I am just reading the bar.
I don't know what the CBA will have, but hopefully we will have the option to refuse or cut extra deals, without repercussion

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1980570)

We have this problem at our shop. Guys who live in LAX that are based at SFO, but call scheduling and just ask for LAX reserve. They sit reserve here, while at home, and CS saves on hotel and per diem costs and keep LAX staffed at what they want. Sure, it helps the individual pilot but it's violating seniority, the pilot work rule book, and is a classic example of a pilot screwing other pilots.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 1981977)

The problem with 'cutting deals' means there isn't anything written in a CBA to back you up when CS goes back on their deal and doesn't give you triple pay for the trip you did. We are already having these issues here at JB with people making a deal with CS, but supervisors and/or payroll dept shoot it down after the fact and the pilot has no recourse.

Sure, put some clause in a contract saying a pilot can make a deal with CS, but you can guarantee the voice recorded CS tapes magically will be destroyed and you'll be screwed.