captjns

Son. You must have a lot of hair on your palms, or a lot of acne... or just plain don't get any.

One question... what gives you the right to stand in judgement of others for their opinions? You don't like their views then take a hike... don't forget the sandals.

fireman0174

I'm not taking sides on this thread, but I would like to offer an empirical story for your consideration.

Back in the 90’s our airline hired quite a few rEAL pilots (EAL pilots that did not scab). As always it helped to have an insider (working pilot) promote your application for employment.

I endorsed for employment a casual friend. We both were involved with ALPA work in very different positions, but I knew he would be an asset for us. He went through the whole process and got hired (he really was a good candidate). I even got a hand written note from our Senior Vice-President of Training about how well everything went for him.

While he was waiting for an assignment to a class date, he posted a message on ALPA’s private forum. The message was basically a “heads-up” to the readers that an EAL-scab was headed out to our training center and he should be “welcomed”. (No description of his intent is needed, is it?)

The message got posted in the training center, with the author’s name, and ended up on management’s radar screen.

His offer of employment was shortly thereafter rescinded.

When I found out about it, I knew he was “dead”, but I even contacted our Master Chairman, a person I had worked with before, and he could do nothing, as the lawyers had gotten involved.

So please don’t ever think that a forum such as this cannot have an impact on one’s career.

Just a friendly story to share my experiencies that these kind of forums do not live in a vacuum.

Newguy85

I would like to apologize to you Toad for my quick lash out. Now however, I think it is the Administrator who akes the call about content. And I see HSLD around on these boards to know that he does watch them. It's good to see a man stand up for his conviction though. Very Nobel, but bad timing and wrong situation.

NG

727C47

UPS without a doubt! Look at the history of CAL, not just how they're doing at the present moment. Good Luck! What a nice predicament to be in!

P-3Bubba

Whats the "pool". I wont ask what a MILF is.

Free Flyer

Here's some help for you. I'm in the same boat as you, as nice as that is, it's stressful. However, I took the first class offered and I'm glad that I did. I've already got over 60 people behind me at CAL and I've only been here a month.

Now, on the flip side, I'm in the pool at UPS, and I was told that I may be in the pool floating anywhere from a month to 3 years. So why wait for them to put your life in limbo. Go for the first thing offered, then decide when the real decision comes down to it.

It really comes down to quality of life. How old of planes do you want to fly? Do you want to fly at night forever? Do you want to be on for 8 days, then off 6 and all of that stuff? It's all up to you.

I'm really loving it at CAL and the more time I spend here the less I get excited about flying at night for the rest of my life. Plus, another benefit is the fact that I'm getting typed in the 737 without having to pay for it at higher power like the SWA comrades. I also have the option to get typed in a 757, 777, and then the 787 when it comes along. Always make sure that you make yourself marketable and attractive to another airline, so that if your's tanks, you've got a backup. Just a thought! Enjoy the pool

Free Flyer

The pool is the hiring pool. The interviewing airline will either call you or send you a letter and say that you're hired. They will place you in the prospective hiring pool and call you when they either need you or have a class date for you.

The length of time in the pool depends upon a few factors.
1. How much training is the airline doing.
2. How are negotiations going for the airline.

I say this because that's why it's taking awhile for the UPS guys to get called. When I interviewed they said to wait awhile because they aren't running too many classes right now since negotiations aren't solved and they aren't expanding a whole lot. Now, on UPS benefit, once they get that contract solved, they've got about 300 PFE's (Professional Flight Engineers-guys over 60 who can't fly anymore) that are going to quit the next day because they're pension will be worth more and they're heading out the door. So, UPS will have some movement once they get that contract settled.

On the other side of the fence, CAL has so many guys retiring it's ridiculous. There honestly has not been one day where I haven't met someone who has less than 6 months before they retire. Good news for me. They have over 2000 guys leaving over the next 9 years. So, the upgrade time will hopefully go from the standard 8 years to about 5 if things go as planned.

I know that I rambled some here, but I hope that this answers your question.

vprof

THATS BS..... IF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 6 YEARS AND WORK 3 WEEKS A MONTH YOUR DOING SOMETHING WAY WRONG.. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 6 YEARS AND WORK 12 OUT OF 28 DAYS. NOBODY TREATS YOU LIKE CRAP...THE ACP / CREW SCHED/TRAINING/VAN DRIVERS / MX ARE ALWAYS PLEASANT AND TREAT YOU PROFESSIONALLY. I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING HOW F "N" MISERABLE UPS IS TO WORK FOR. CHANCES ARE YOU WOULD BE MISERABLE ANYWHERE..




IPA
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calcapt

While you are praying keep our buddy Skyhigh in your prayers. If anything good ever happened to Skyhigh this whole forum would implode. Love ya Sky - NOT!!