I wanted to see what the stats are of folks who have been hired at DAL, AAG & UAL from 2015 to now for street hires with a civilian background. I have a pretty good idea of the stats from our military brothers and sisters. I am curious to see what kind of credentials like flight time, tpic, degree/no degree, etc people with a civilian background have that made it on to a legacy.

 

Isn't there a recently hired thread just for this?

 

I wanted to start this thread being specific for Street Hires with Civilian background.

 

I only have one data point. I interviewed with AA a little while ago. There were 20 of us OTS types. All 20 were Mil Fighter guys. I heard recently there were a few with pure Civ background that interviewed. Maybe 2-3 out of 20 or so. My uneducated guess is that with all the Civ flow throughs they are looking to try and achieve a little more balance. Just a guess man. And it may be a bad one. Good luck!!

 

I can pass anecdotally that I have seen a LOT of fighter guys getting the call at AA. I think the goal is a good mix of mil/civ (see--we debate pros/cons but the airlines apparently want both!).

Connections and friends are probably important too. If you are a hard-working bro in a fighter squadron, actually try to do as much airline flying as you can and not just dropping a ton of mil leave on the company, I can see how hiring more "just like you...." would be appealing. I suspect some of that is in play as well. I wish we had more of that at FedEx....I still thing the BEST predictor of a guys worth as an employee and fellow crewmember is the testimony of the guys who have worked with him/her for years and seen the work ethic and skill in action. Tests and shrinks aside--I would never recommend a douchebag for my own company, and most of the guys I know wouldn't either. Sometimes old school ideas really work....

 

Generally speaking, "OTS" means "not flow" and "not military." As in, regular guys off the street, with no "advantage" (real or percieved.)

Not a flow. Not trained by Uncle Sam. Just a regular guy eating Ramen Noodles who worked his way up the ranks as a private pilot, CFI, non-affiliated regional, LLC or trash hauler.

So in your interview group, you had zero OTS.

 

Yep. We had zero then. I think a few in the next interview group were "OTS" but I'd have to check on that. Thanks for the clarification

 

Thanks for the input guys. I am one of the applicants that is all civilian background with no flows. I really enjoy reading the forums and getting some great information from you all.

 

Not on AA interview threads on this forum. OTS means someone who interviewed for the job and was hired, both mil and civ. It's not like the mil guys were guaranteed a job.

 

I know of one guy that was hired at AA OTS in 2015. He was civilian, flew for Eagle (did not flow). Was left seat there after being an FO forever, hired in 2000. Figure he flew about 800/year at Eagle, was captain for at least two years.