Aquaticus

He isn't complaining. He is pointing out a fact of the current hiring cycle proven by the annual hiring updates from the big 3. You keep making ad hominem attacks every time that you are proven wrong which degrades whatever argument you are trying to make.

Hercguy

Sorry to change the subject, but does anyone know the dates and location for next years conference?

busdriver12

What irritates me is not the suggestion that women and minorities get an advantage in getting the call to interview quicker than someone else. What annoys me is the suggestion that because they are female or minority, therefore they must be unqualified, and still getting the call, which is most definitely BS.

When I interviewed with United, the entire group of interviewees was white, only one woman. When we all compared credentials, she was the most highly qualified. She did not get hired.

fishforfun

It's all good. He's partially right. With the non white male percentages so low that even with any preferential hiring for anyone it's basically inconsequential in the overall numbers. I was just hoping to have an open and honest discussion but that's rarely possible on social media.

fishforfun

March in Orlando I believe.

fishforfun

They wouldn't be there if they didn't at least me the mins. Therefore they are qualified. Nothing has changed, comparing resumes will only frustrate you because so much of the hiring doesn't make sense to us. I'm comfortable that these Fortune 500 companies have it figured out. Except for AA, what the hell are they thinking?😎

Aquaticus

I don't think anyone is saying that they are hiring unqualified people. The basic qualifications are pretty low but you can't hire 15% of newhires from a very small pool of applicants and have each and every one be rock stars with experience coming out their ears. The math just doesn't back that up. There is an advantage to being a minority just like there is for knowing the right person or being an intern.

SmoothLanderJ

Again, he's wrong, and the fact I disagree and point out why isn't a personal attack. I'm not attacking anyone however, maybe you and he shouldn't be so sensitive. Just because you may see certain people being hired doesn't mean whatever statistic he comes up with in his mind is accurate. I happen to see real numbers and work on the recruiting front for my airline. For him or you to assume that minorities or women are disproportionately hired or is inaccurate.

Hercguy

Thanks fish!

MooToast12

Woman's perspective here:

I did attend WAI this year for the first time and I'll be honest, I was shocked by the number of men to women at a WOMEN in Aviation conference. But, I do realize that we make up a very small percentage of the industry, especially at the ATP level. I also realize it is one of the best conferences for networking. And then the whole FastPass thing...
That being said, I didn't feel like I got any sort of advantage because I am a WOMAN (not girl, fishforfun...more on that later). I was in a suit, just like everyone else. I had my resume in hand, nervous, trying to sell myself just like everyone else. Will it result in an interview? Gosh I hope so. There's no guarantee.
I don't have any 121 time. All 91 and 135. 3800 hours total, 1200 TPIC. 4 types. No military. I have legacy at United. I interviewed with F9 in December and did not get the job (I plan to try again if the opportunity presents itself). I didn't get the job because I wasn't prepared for the unfamiliar 121 stuff, I believe.
However I am probably one of the "lesser qualified" women that many of you speak of. My lack of total time is for a couple of reasons. One MAJOR one being that as a WOMAN (fishforfun), I am a Mother of 2. I have been flying since before I got pregnant with my first. This is a little twist that most men 1. Don't think of and 2. Don't ever have to deal with, unless they WANT to, which beyond baby bonding, is usually minimal (generalizations here). That set me back nearly 2 years with pre-baby flying restrictions, recovery, breast feeding. That's kind of a big deal to us ladies. That's 2 years of flying that you all got to do with just a phone call a few times a day to check in that I didn't get to do because my presence was needed at home to grow a family. Not to mention until now I haven't been able to take any job that comes along...I had to limit myself to local and no on-demand jobs (= less time building).
So I guess my point is that women have it pretty hard with this career. I'm not looking for sympathy or kudos--I chose this, I chose to have kids and I continue for some crazy reason to continue doing this. I am really just looking for understanding and to give another point of view. I make sure I can back up every hour I have logged with solid flying skills...I have never and I will never expect hand outs. But if women are perceived to be getting opportunities over you with lesser time, maybe give them a break. Everyone who is getting called meets minimums. Its up to them to prove themselves once in the door. We aren't taking anything from you, we are all trying to make it in this crazy industry just like you. Good luck everyone!