Deny NAI failed, given final approval by DOT
12-05-2016, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
The UK is still part of the EU. If your argument that The contracts are based in the UK (which they are - Ipswich, UK to be exact) but the airline is in Ireland, and that is the reason they should be denied, then you lose on the principle of precedent. Brussels Airlines has DOT approval yet hires pilots on Contracts based in the UK. WOW Airlines has DOT approval and yet despite being an Icelandic airline, hires pilots on contracts with agencies based in the UAE, Isle of Man, and Germany. Even further they use a subcontract Lithuanian airline to do some of their flying which uses contracts based out of Cyprus and Malta.
As for cutting off all US-EU flying to "protect these scabs" (seriously, where is the strike?), clearly they would not do that. But they certainly would begin a tit for tat reduction, perhaps reducing US rights to Heathrow as an example. So tell me, who benefits from an EU-US Open Skies war?
And again, please tell me which provision of the Open Skies treaty did NAI use to violate Article 17 bis? You'd think if you were so sure that they did, it would be easy to cite which provision.
As for cutting off all US-EU flying to "protect these scabs" (seriously, where is the strike?), clearly they would not do that. But they certainly would begin a tit for tat reduction, perhaps reducing US rights to Heathrow as an example. So tell me, who benefits from an EU-US Open Skies war?
And again, please tell me which provision of the Open Skies treaty did NAI use to violate Article 17 bis? You'd think if you were so sure that they did, it would be easy to cite which provision.
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this and not biased. In your opinion is this going to crush US airlines like we've been led to believe?
12-05-2016, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this and not biased. In your opinion is this going to crush US airlines like we've been led to believe?
12-05-2016, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
It will be the Southwest effect, but this time on the international market.
Hopefully our airlines can adapt to the changing times and be proactive. Whether that be the ME3, NAI or whatever pops up next. Our careers depend on it.
12-05-2016, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
Hopefully our airlines can adapt to the changing times and be proactive. Whether that be the ME3, NAI or whatever pops up next. Our careers depend on it.
12-05-2016, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this and not biased. In your opinion is this going to crush US airlines like we've been led to believe?
12-05-2016, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Absolutely not. I think it overblown hype by the US legacy airlines and ALPA. If you have been around long enough you have heard this refrain before. JetBlue was going to destroy the legacy airlines and drive down wages. Virgin America was a major threat as well, so much so that ALPA went to court in an attempt to prevent them from operating (http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf64/569.pdf). Now both JetBlue and Virgin America are part of the ALPA fold. Neither killed the legacy airlines despite the pronouncements that they would. This is just another example of this. Even if Norwegian grows to their fully projected size, they will still be a drop in the bucket of the transatlantic traffic.
That's good to hear. Guys (me included) get so worked up and emotional about this because we have so much to lose. Appreciate your insight from the other side of the world.
12-05-2016, 02:00 PM
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12-05-2016, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Absolutely not. I think it overblown hype by the US legacy airlines and ALPA. If you have been around long enough you have heard this refrain before. JetBlue was going to destroy the legacy airlines and drive down wages. Virgin America was a major threat as well, so much so that ALPA went to court in an attempt to prevent them from operating (http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf64/569.pdf). Now both JetBlue and Virgin America are part of the ALPA fold. Neither killed the legacy airlines despite the pronouncements that they would. This is just another example of this. Even if Norwegian grows to their fully projected size, they will still be a drop in the bucket of the transatlantic traffic.
Soon there will be self driving cars, then self flying aircraft, machine learning will kill most of the jobs in this country. The current regulations do not allow a 121 aircraft with less than two pilots be certified, FoC removes that requirement. That's our only protection, as this technology is available today, not in the future.
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