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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Lot's of great regional pilots who aren't "qualified" that simply don't give a damn what you think....The second class citizen routine is growing old. Funny how you don't mind riding on us when you want to get home.
Nor you on us. How many years did you spend on furlough?
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:27 PM
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Those of us in the regional business have been dealing with "race to the bottom" for years while you mainline guys have enjoyed huge raises....Sorry if we don't have sympathy for you...Maybe you should have had some concern for us.
Dude, I slogged it out at the regionals for 6+ years. All the time working my butt off to land a job at a legacy. Spare us the working-class hero routine.

Did someone force you to take that job -- and then stay there??
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
Agreed on "ALPA's failures" but the fact that you're "enjoying this" is not cool John. This WILL affect all of us. Its not a mainline vs RJ thing.
Not if we fly code share for foreign carriers who don't limit us and pay us more. Maybe it will, but it can't be any worse than what we have been dealing with ALPA should have formed partnerships with us. They didn't. They shunned us and treated us like crap. Karma is a *****. Welcome to what the regionals have been dealing with.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Dude, I slogged it out at the regionals for 6+ years. All the time working my butt off to land a job at a legacy. Spare us the working-class hero routine.

Did someone force you to take that job -- and then stay there??
The "regionals" should have never existed. However mainline greed and arrogance created them. They sold the scope to prop up senior pay and retirement after deregulation. The regionals reached out to the mainlines to fix the mess. They were crapped on by the mainline MECs. Spare me the "union brother BS"...That isn't how ALPA works.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
The "regionals" should have never existed. However mainline greed and arrogance created them. They sold the scope to prop up senior pay and retirement after deregulation. The regionals reached out to the mainlines to fix the mess. They were crapped on by the mainline MECs. Spare me the "union brother BS"...That isn't how ALPA works.
Comair got a decent contract after their strike. I remember gladly paying into the strike fund. Were you part of the whipsaw given to Delta to run them into the ground? The Comair flying didn't go back to the mainline in those days. Where did it go?
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Those of us in the regional business have been dealing with "race to the bottom" for years while you mainline guys have enjoyed huge raises....Sorry if we don't have sympathy for you...Maybe you should have had some concern for us.
The best way to eliminate the race to the bottom at the regional level is to increase mainline scope and do away with the regionals. I will never vote yes for a contract that relaxes scope.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Comair got a decent contract after their strike. I remember gladly paying into the strike fund. Were you part of the whipsaw given to Delta to run them into the ground? The Comair flying didn't go back to the mainline in those days. Where did it go?
The CMR passengers were rerouted on Delta, ASA, ACA, and SkyWest. It wasn't "struck work". They were then shut down and Delta didn't do a damn thing for them. Thanks for pointing out yet another reason I don't care about this NAI issue. I walked the line with many fine CMR folks and they were hung out to dry....ALPA doesn't care about regional pilots.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
The best way to eliminate the race to the bottom at the regional level is to increase mainline scope and do away with the regionals. I will never vote yes for a contract that relaxes scope.
You going to take all those regional pilots when you take back that flying? You want the flying, but you probably don't want all the pilots who do the flying...
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Not if we fly code share for foreign carriers who don't limit us and pay us more.
Let's open this discussion up right here then.

You're proposing that the regionals are going to code share for foreign carriers.

So somewhere, orders need to be placed or jets need to come out of the desert to fly these things into supposed hubs such as FLL to feed NAI.

The regionals can barely staff what they are flying as it is. You think they can pull this off?

If anyone codeshares with a foreign carrier, it'd be more likely to be Spirit, Allegiant, jetBlue, et al.

The foreign carrier certainly isn't going to waste their time messing around with a regional airline for support when they have demonstrated they can barely support themselves.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NMuir
Wrong...

As lower level more simple jobs gets outsourced, that frees up resources to work on other higher level things.

The CEO of a small business might take out his own trash. However when the company grows he probably ends up paying someone else to do it because his time is more valuable. Countries are the same way.

When lower level tasks can be done more efficiently, they will be, market forces demand it.

Google H1b visa abuse. Educate yourself then we can talk. Last time I checked I don't do a simple job, and yet I'm looking at potentially lower wages due to globalization, as do engineers, scientists, computer programmers and on, and on.

Also, see this page for how globalization has been treating US workers so far.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-harder-charts

Also google cognitive dissonance while you are at it.
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