Deny NAI failed, given final approval by DOT
12-03-2016 | 06:16 AM
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It's called capitalism. Markets set the rate. Unions artificially inflate our wages at the major level. Look at Emirates pay, that's a pretty good judge of what market rates are. Emirates CAs make around $140k-$150k/yr on their widebodies and that is a fairly established airline, not an upstart like NAS/NAI.
I know the truth hurts but at some point we are going to have to face reality. We've been working in an environment with little outside competition unlike the rest of the citizenship. Yes, things will get worse in the future. Just take advantage of the money you are earning now and invest wisely.
I am a little upset as I've worked many years, and struggled with low pay for many years as well, to get to where I am today to "finally" start making decent money. It is what it is. You deal the hand you were dealt. Honestly I think going to SWA, jetBlue or Spirit is actually a better career choice long term than the big 3. They will grow, their brands are strong. The big 3 will most likely shrink over time, their larger legacy cost structure and management culture slowly suffocating them.
Norwegian offers a good, solid product, on new aircraft, for a good price. They are highly rated on customer review sites unlike AA, DAL, and UA. There is a reason people continue to purchase on them, and not us.
I know the truth hurts but at some point we are going to have to face reality. We've been working in an environment with little outside competition unlike the rest of the citizenship. Yes, things will get worse in the future. Just take advantage of the money you are earning now and invest wisely.
I am a little upset as I've worked many years, and struggled with low pay for many years as well, to get to where I am today to "finally" start making decent money. It is what it is. You deal the hand you were dealt. Honestly I think going to SWA, jetBlue or Spirit is actually a better career choice long term than the big 3. They will grow, their brands are strong. The big 3 will most likely shrink over time, their larger legacy cost structure and management culture slowly suffocating them.
Norwegian offers a good, solid product, on new aircraft, for a good price. They are highly rated on customer review sites unlike AA, DAL, and UA. There is a reason people continue to purchase on them, and not us.
12-03-2016 | 06:55 AM
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Honest question for those who know more about this than I.... I get that the problem that people are seeing with NAI is basing in Ireland to be able to use labor laws that are more beneficial to them. But what about Irish carriers such as Aerlingus? How does the Open Skies agreement apply to them, or why is nobody upset about them flying to the US? I personally would love anything that's going to help sustain a successful career at the legacy I work for but just am trying to see what the argument would have been for the DOJ to deny the application.
12-03-2016 | 07:19 AM
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This (above) from the guy who called the auto industry's bailout "the Obama auto bailout".
And...."there was no legal grounds"?? I hate grammar smack, but give me a break!
12-03-2016 | 07:19 AM
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12-03-2016 | 07:22 AM
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Great; 9/11, age 65, financial meltdown, equated to the "lost decade". Just when you think things are looking up, we get this ** sandwich....
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12-03-2016 | 07:26 AM
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Regarding the auto bailout, Obama deserves as much credit for that as you conservatives blame Clinton for NAFTA. You cannot have it both ways, either place blame for NAFTA on Bush and the Republicans, or give Obama all the credit for the auto bailouts. Take your pick, you don't get a free pass at a double standard.
12-03-2016 | 08:37 AM
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So what do you think the outcome would have been? The EU exercised their rights under the treaty to appeal to arbitration. Even the DOT realised they would most likely lose the arbitration. Does the US blatantly violate the Open Skies treaty by ignoring the decision of the arbitrator? What would be the EU reaction, do they start revoking the privileges of US carriers? Do they declare the the treaty null and void and revoke all of the slots at places like Heathrow that were a huge boon to the US carriers? Who benefits from that?
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