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Old 12-02-2016 | 07:50 PM
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The legacies still have a robust domestic network that push people into the international markets.

The bigger issues will come when Spirit or another LCC team up with these international carriers.

The US legacies are buying back stock with their profits instead of investing in their product and CS. Read the NAI reviews, people love the carrier. They like the new equipment. Meanwhile AA is flying tired 767s around.

If the US carriers are losing business in this environment it's their own faults.

The nice thing, long term as pilots, is the jobs will still be there, just with another carrier. If you are a legacy pilot now, you will most likely be a shoe in for those new jobs. It might pay less, but you're probably going to be employed.

In the mean time, save your money and invest and you might not even need to find work when your job goes away. Use your spare time to fund another business. This job offers high pay and lots of time off, use it wisely.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
Yea, but the market is still on our side. Good luck staffing that airline when the legacy carriers pay double and destroy that place in work rules. Anybody dumb enough to go work there should be banned from ever getting a job at any US carrier.
Absolutely. They might not technically be scabs, but they are scab-adjacent for sure. Only scum will fly there. Spare us the "feeding my family" nonsense.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
The legacies still have a robust domestic network that push people into the international markets.

The bigger issues will come when Spirit or another LCC team up with these international carriers.

The US legacies are buying back stock with their profits instead of investing in their product and CS. Read the NAI reviews, people love the carrier. They like the new equipment. Meanwhile AA is flying tired 767s around.

If the US carriers are losing business in this environment it's their own faults.

The nice thing, long term as pilots, is the jobs will still be there, just with another carrier. If you are a legacy pilot now, you will most likely be a shoe in for those new jobs. It might pay less, but you're probably going to be employed.

In the mean time, save your money and invest and you might not even need to find work when your job goes away. Use your spare time to fund another business. This job offers high pay and lots of time off, use it wisely.
Awesome! I can be a 787 captain making less than a DAL 717 FO... WITH 10 days off to sweeten the quality of life! Zero benefits, no union protection, I mean is that not a sweet deal or what? What did the previous generations work so hard for?

In the mean time I can spend all my free time trying to start up a business so that when the current job I spent 20 years trying to get into goes away! Who wants to waste all that free time with family? I'm sure my kids will totally understand. Why would anyone do something so stupid as to squander all that opportunity at home doing time wasting acitivities like t-ball games and cub scouts?

Bro, thanks for the big picture! You should be on tour with Tony Robbins, seriously.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NYC Pilot
At best, an airline career will give one a middle class lifestyle and that's about it.
LULz, only in a place like NYC is a 6 figure salary considered "middle class"
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Old 12-02-2016 | 08:33 PM
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Great work ALPA. They supported Barry and Hillary because they are "labor friendly."
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Old 12-02-2016 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mpet
If you think NAI is only competitive because of the cost of their labor that is just too funny.
Why aren't cruise ships crewed with and flagged in the United States again?
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Old 12-02-2016 | 08:59 PM
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Another stab in the back by Obama, a great parting gift to people who pay the ffn bills around here.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 09:03 PM
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Thanks Obama.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Absolutely. They might not technically be scabs, but they are scab-adjacent for sure. Only scum will fly there. Spare us the "feeding my family" nonsense.
Please. No more hyperbole about scabs. There is no such thing as 'not technically a scab' or 'scab-adjacent.' One is either a scab or not. A strike would have to exist and a picket line would have to be crossed in order for someone to be labeled a scab. There are no strikes and no picket lines to cross.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 09:16 PM
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So...just to be clear, the only opposition to Norwegian is the fact that they have three divisions, one based in Norway, one in Ireland and one in the UK?

It certainly cannot be the pay because there has been no opposition to the DOT approving Eurowings, an alter ego carrier formed by Lufthansa that pays 15% less than Norwegian. It certainly cannot be because of contract crew members employed through agencies based in the far/middle east because China Southern, Hainan, Air China, China Eastern, Sichuan and WOW Airlines (just to name a few), all use employees contracted through agencies based in the far and middle east and had zero issues with DOT approval.

The issue is with the fact that NAI has been issued an AOC through a modern, western European Democracy, in full compliance with EU rules, and not in another modern, western European Democracy, in full compliance with EU/EEA rules?
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