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Old 01-06-2017 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by webecheck
The apologists don't have North American or European legacy jobs so they clearly don't care. They applied and never heard a peep, or their interview went poorly resulting in a TBNT. Thus, their job isn't threatened and the envy in them wants to see those with a better situation than they have falter.
You hit the nail on the head. Nedude I believe works for Ryanair which will feed for NAI. So he has his own agenda in mind. He could care less what happens to US pilots. He's probably also mad he has a crappy job and has no hope of getting a better one, so he wants us all to fall down to his level.
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Old 01-07-2017 | 04:43 AM
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(dumb) question here. What's the deal with the Norwegian 73s flying to CUN & MBJ out of MKE?
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Old 01-07-2017 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
As long as there are qualified pilots willing to fly widebodies internationally for NAI pay, management will consider us overpaid. They will attempt to rectify that discrepancy on every contractual opportunity.
There are pilots flying into the US market on wide bodies that earn half (Literally) of what the NAI pilots make....., they've been doing it for decades
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Old 01-07-2017 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Arado 234
(dumb) question here. What's the deal with the Norwegian 73s flying to CUN & MBJ out of MKE?
Wet lease charter for a tour operator ala Vacation Store. Complete package. Not airline tickets
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Old 01-07-2017 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Half wing
You hit the nail on the head. Nedude I believe works for Ryanair which will feed for NAI. So he has his own agenda in mind. He could care less what happens to US pilots. He's probably also mad he has a crappy job and has no hope of getting a better one, so he wants us all to fall down to his level.
Will you confirm this rather than spread unknown.... oh never mind... this is a rumor web site. How ironic... pilots hate when members of the fourth estate will not substantiate their claims.
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Old 01-07-2017 | 05:37 PM
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All that matters about NEDude, or any of us for that matter, is the merit of
points made or positions taken. Agree or not, his have seldom been irrelevant.

The prevailing view, to create a serious threat, NAI or NAI clones would require
a heavyweight domestic confederate, hasn't been defeated IMHO.
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Old 01-07-2017 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
There are pilots flying into the US market on wide bodies that earn half (Literally) of what the NAI pilots make....., they've been doing it for decades
True dat: MD-11 Captains out of the MIA corrosion corner making less than $100k.
Heck, been there done that myself, while on furlough I took a job as a B-747 Captain hauling freight all over the planet for peanuts just to put food on the table.
Tried to resist for a year and worked as a Yacht Captain for cash for while but ended up scrubbing teak decks in the October heat in South Florida. Realized I was too old and lazy to do manual labor.
Took the cargo job for peanuts but due to rapid expansion I ended up a Check Airman and could write my own pay checks after a year.

I can see how pilots work for half pay rather than going hungry and not every swingin **** gets to work for a major airline with fantasy pay and benefits.

Now that we finally have a pilot shortage and China screaming for warm bodies @ $200k + per annum, Norwegian and others will have to increase their compensation shortly.

One of my buddies is a sim instructor for Norwegian on the 737 program and he keep telling horror stories about initial candidates with 180 TT. Quite a few don't make it through the program, duh..

Supply and demand should take care of compensation. Wish I was 21 years old again:
Had 3000 Hrs TT before I saw the inside of a turboprop and 5200 TT before I climbed in a jet cockpit for the first time.

NAI and their subsidiaries are not breaking any laws and the pilots are not scabbing. Instead the company is run by a smart lawyer, pretty much like SWA was when they started up.

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Old 01-07-2017 | 07:00 PM
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The real NAI threat is that it institutionalizes an atypical employment model in the United States.

Read more here:

https://www.regulations.gov/contentS...ontentType=pdf

https://www.regulations.gov/contentS...ontentType=pdf
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Old 01-08-2017 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Half wing
You hit the nail on the head. Nedude I believe works for Ryanair which will feed for NAI. So he has his own agenda in mind. He could care less what happens to US pilots. He's probably also mad he has a crappy job and has no hope of getting a better one, so he wants us all to fall down to his level.
Nope, but nice try. I work for a large European leisure airline that is well established and well paid and has zero affiliation to Norwegian or any of its affiliates. (Shouldn't be too hard to figure out)

But if you wish to use the analogy of me not having a legacy job then try this on for size:

The legacy pilots are like the guys living in mansions at the top of the hill and telling the guys that live in the shanty town at the bottom of the hill that they are selfish for taking an opportunity to build a split level ranch halfway up the hill because it might ruin their view. You may need to re-think your idea of what is selfish...

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Old 01-08-2017 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Nope, but nice try. I work for a large European leisure airline that is well established and well paid and has zero affiliation to Norwegian or any of its affiliates. (Shouldn't be too hard to figure out)

But if you wish to use the analogy of me not having a legacy job then try this on for size:

The legacy pilots are like the guys living in mansions at the top of the hill and telling the guys that live in the shanty town at the bottom of the hill that they are selfish for taking an opportunity to build a split level ranch halfway up the hill because it might ruin their view. You may need to re-think your idea of what is selfish...
So with your analogy, should the guys living in the mansion just burn theirs down and join the shanty's.... that way no one has anything better then any others....
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