NEDude

It is a source of information much like Ms. Cleo was a source of information for investment advice. Anonymous online forums are terrible. Personal networking is far more accurate and valuable. Since getting my EASA ATPL and looking for work on the Euro side of the Atlantic I have spoken with dozens of pilots from a wide range of airlines such as Norwegian, SAS, easyJet, Ryanair, British Airways, Aer Lingus, Germania, Avion Express, WOW Air, Brussels Airlines, Cimber, Jet Time, Small Planet, Thomas Cook Scandinavia, and Atlantic Airways. A five minute conversation with each of those pilots was far more valuable, and accurate, than five hours on PPRUNE.

For the record every Norwegian 787 guy I spoke with was quite happy. The same cannot be said for the guys on the 737 side. But the 787 guys seemed to be quite happy.

detpilot

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NEDude

Is that according to PPRUNE? Remember this is regarding what is perceived as good jobs by the folks on PPRUNE?

WHACKMASTER

Not sure why some of you guys keep wasting your time arguing with the NAI apologists. Apparently some will never understand or realize the threat to quality North American and European Legacy pilot jobs this outfit is.

webecheck

The apologists don't have North American or European legacy jobs so they clearly don't care. They applied and never heard a peep, or their interview went poorly resulting in a TBNT. Thus, their job isn't threatened and the envy in them wants to see those with a better situation than they have falter.

NEDude

Or it could be the recognition of the fact claims of a new carrier threatening the quality of legacy jobs has been endless and for the most part baseless for 40+ years. The U.S. legacy airlines, the big 3 plus Alaska and Hawaiian, employ more pilots now than Alaska, Braniff, Continental, Delta, Eastern, Hawaiian, National, Northwest Orient, Pan Am, TWA, and United all did 40 years ago. They do this despite the competition from Southwest, America West, Republic (the original), PeoplExpress, the second Midway, JetBlue, and Virgin America, all of which were accused of "dragging down the profession". At some point it becomes like the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf'.

I will point out once again that Virgin America was called by many the single biggest threat to the profession we have ever seen. Pilots who went there were compared to scabs and accused of undercutting the legacy pilots quality of life. Now Virgin America pilots are proud ALPA members and as of earlier this month, employed by a legacy airline. Pilots at PeoplExpress were accused of the same thing 35 years ago and now those that are still flying are senior captains at United. Southwest had the same accusation hurled at them and for most of the past 15 years have been the highest paid pilots in the States. It just gets tiring and old hearing the same empty arguments over and over again...

iceman49

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hostagetofortun

Wow, why would you allow yourself the dalliance to continue to walk among us?
Your perspective on this is just that; your perspective on this.
I am now retired after having spent 50 years in this business and what you are saying is what we used to call, hooey. There is a much harsher term for it today.
The NAI circumstance is unique in our history; all of your seeming historical perspective is of no value even if it is/was accurate, (which it is not).
Because yes, in all those years what turned out to be old and the most tiring, was having to listen to know it all’s like you who have such an inflated regard for themselves that it actually gets in their way of learning anything. (Evolution takes SOO long).
As I reached the end of my career and there were only 2 of us left in the cockpit; you were my bane.

NEDude

Welcome to APC. I see you just joined and this is your first post.

So I am curious, what have I said that was inaccurate? Was Southwest welcomed by the industry when it first formed? Were all the lawsuits and restrictions placed upon it just my imagination? Was the Wright Amendment all in my dreams? Was PeoplExpress welcomed and considered by pilot groups to be a great new opportunity that will raise the bar for everyone? Everyone thought JetBlue was a great addition as well right, so much so that even trade unions supported them? I guess Virgin America was welcomed as well right?

Learning does not take that long my friend, and if it does for you I feel truly sorry for you.

Here is something that was fairly easy to and quick to do. Spend an hour doing some independent research on NAI. Don't read the ALPA stuff, instead read corporate profiles on investment websites, look at the job postings, read some newspaper articles from other parts of the world, look at the various aviation regulatory agency websites, look at the court filings. You will find that NAI is virtually nothing like what ALPA claims, and many other airlines are already doing what ALPA seems to think is unique to NAI. That is how you learn. And if doing that makes me your bane, then I am quite happy to be your bane and I will take happily accept your calling me that.

ALPA has done some great things, without question, and personally I would rather have them in my corner than in the opposite corner. But ALPA has made its fair share of mistakes in the past too, and it wise to be able to objectively look at every campaign they are running, and every claim that they make, to see if it holds water.

Enjoy your retirement and once again, welcome to APC.

Packrat

As long as there are qualified pilots willing to fly widebodies internationally for NAI pay, management will consider us overpaid. They will attempt to rectify that discrepancy on every contractual opportunity.