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Molon Labe 12-03-2016 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by JetDoc (Post 2255208)
This guy gets it!^^^^^^^^^^

This is HLARIOUS! Most mainline guys didn't give a damn about the thousands of regional guys making 1/3 of what they do for doing the SAME EXACT JOB for the last 20 years as long as it kept their pockets lined. Where was the uproar about "low paying aviation jobs" then? It's only now, when they feel that THEIR checkbooks are threatened, the is sky falling. Karmas a ***** aint it fellas?

You need to get a life and look at the history of that outsourcing while you are at it. The majors as in pilots didn't give up that "scope " willingly. They lost battles during negotiations and particularly post 911 over those jobs. They didn't want to undermine and stagnate the bottom end of their flying. Your joyful "karma" statement is misdirected...May you rot on your E-175 forever.

CousinEddie 12-03-2016 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by JetDoc (Post 2255208)
This guy gets it!^^^^^^^^^^

This is HLARIOUS! Most mainline guys didn't give a damn about the thousands of regional guys making 1/3 of what they do for doing the SAME EXACT JOB for the last 20 years as long as it kept their pockets lined. Where was the uproar about "low paying aviation jobs" then? It's only now, when they feel that THEIR checkbooks are threatened, the is sky falling. Karmas a ***** aint it fellas?

Who was holding a gun to your head? Who was negotiating your contract? Who allowed themselves to be whipsawed to secure flying? Many furloughed mainline pilots didn't earn a dime flying airplanes for years while you were doing your thing. Under a decade long bankruptcy contract, yeah I suppose a regional FO made a little more than 1/3 of what I did. I was also flying around 3 times as many seats. Sorry, but I didn't feel subsidized by you at all.

Is the E-170 "737 Killer" sticker still on your flight bag?

animation 12-03-2016 04:27 PM

Why it is ok for Delta Connection CRJ 900 pilots to get paid significantly less than what Delta mainline pilots would get paid to fly the same equipment?

David Puddy 12-03-2016 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 (Post 2255101)
What kind of domestic network does NAI expect to setup within the US to feed their cheap international flights? A lot of their business model relies on them flying into secondary airports meaning their passengers have to be within driving distance. The US airlines still benefit from a domestic network that isn't currently available to NAI.

At $500 or less round trip to Europe, they won't need hub feed to fill a Dreamliner or 737-800MAX.

Keep in mind that WOW Airlines which operates A321s between the U.S. and Europe via Iceland and they offer super cheap seats too... The low-cost revolution is here already.

SayAlt 12-03-2016 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by animation (Post 2255241)
Why it is ok for Delta Connection CRJ 900 pilots to get paid significantly less than what Delta mainline pilots would get paid to fly the same equipment?


Simple.

Because the Delta Connection pilots are willing to get paid significantly less than what Delta mainline pilots would get paid to fly the same equipment.

Here's a question for you...

What do you think would happen if just 20% of all regional pilots were to walk off the job for 1 year?

untied 12-03-2016 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2255252)
Simple.

Because the Delta Connection pilots are willing to get paid significantly less than what Delta mainline pilots would get paid to fly the same equipment.

Here's a question for you...

What do you think would happen if just 20% of all regional pilots were to walk off the job for 1 year?

Nobody would notice.

We constantly change express carriers. We'd fill the void quickly with no pain.

Eaglepilot84 12-03-2016 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2255245)
At $500 or less round trip to Europe, they won't need hub feed to fill a Dreamliner or 737-800MAX.

Keep in mind that WOW Airlines which operates A321s between the U.S. and Europe via Iceland and they offer super cheap seats too... The low-cost revolution is here already.

What you're insinuating is point-to-point feed from small airports in the US to small airports in the EU, correct? How would these smaller airports process these thousands of international customers?

I think NIA would have to get a solid foot in the door at these mega-hubs to really decimate legacy international traffic. That, of course, goes against their business plan (read...higher costs).

Yes this is bad, but the entire aviation infrastructure isn't changing overnight. Hopefully the powers that be are able to adapt to the changes that the low cost revolution is forcing.

ReadyRsv 12-03-2016 05:24 PM

You guys are missing the real damage here. Every airline in the EU can now: Move it's tax base to ANY country, staff with pilots under ANY other country's laws. THAT is the big problem.

ShyGuy 12-03-2016 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2255252)
Simple.

Because the Delta Connection pilots are willing to get paid significantly less than what Delta mainline pilots would get paid to fly the same equipment.

Here's a question for you...

What do you think would happen if just 20% of all regional pilots were to walk off the job for 1 year?

They're not "willing" to be paid significantly less. Comair struck and got a good contract and we all know what happened afterwards. Delta is good at keeping their regionals constantly fighting each other for the lowest cost. They have a history of shifting flying from one regional to another in a heartbeat.

Hilltopper89 12-03-2016 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 2255159)
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