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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2255345)
Nah, they'd still be scabs.
A scab is a type of person anyway. A scab is a scab even before they crossed a picket line, because they had it in them to cross a picket line, they merely needed the opportunity to do so. Pilots who go there are cut of the same cloth. Its one thing to go to a foreign airline. Fine. But this is a labor busting flag of convenience scam and any pilot who flies for them is a scumbag for life. |
Originally Posted by Mugatu
(Post 2254878)
Unions exist so labor is paid their economic worth.
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Originally Posted by DFWAviatior
(Post 2255322)
The reality is globalization happens...and funny enough it is the prevalence of rapid transport across the globe (aircraft!) that has been one of the key components of the increase in globalization.
If you drive a car, you are participating in globalization (even a ford or a chevy, as I've flown parts from Mexico and Canada to Ford and Chevy plants). If you fly an Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier, and even a Boeing, a lot of your components come from abroad. Thanks for helping crush the US aerospace components and manufacturing industry! Do you wear clothes? Literally any article of clothing at all? Thanks for destroying that industry too! Have you shopped at Walmart? Do you put gas in your car? Do you drink almost any brand of Vodka? Tequila? Scotch? Our industry has so far been relatively insulated from globalization. Being prepared for a shift is smart. Clumsy arguments are not. |
http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/norwegian-air-1q-results-continue-improving-trend-thanks-to-lower-fuel-long-haul-strategy-develops-277773
Has anybody noticed that they have been hemorrhaging money? This might be a short lived endeavor. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-12/norwegian-air-has-wider-than-estimated-loss-on-fuel-hedge http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/norwegian-air-shuttle-2014s-heavy-losses-and-record-debt-place-the-focus-on-growth-and-costs-209759 |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2255363)
Deny their pathetic flag of convenience operation access to the US. Let them fight it out in the world court LOL! Europe hates those dirt bags almost as much as we do. Worst case we can tie them up for years, but maybe its better to let them buy planes and start flying and then pull the plug. That would be epic.
If Trump reverses the decision and it does go to arbitration, the US can expect to lose the decision. If they do, and still deny NAI against the arbitration, what do you think will be the EU response? What happens when the EU begins restricting US airlines in return? Who will benefit from that? |
Originally Posted by Molon Labe
(Post 2255219)
You need to get a life and look at the history of that outsourcing while you are at it. The majors as in pilots didn't give up that "scope " willingly. They lost battles during negotiations and particularly post 911 over those jobs. They didn't want to undermine and stagnate the bottom end of their flying. Your joyful "karma" statement is misdirected...May you rot on your E-175 forever.
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Originally Posted by NEDude
(Post 2255405)
You need to go back a bit further in your history and research the Delta pilot reaction to the CRJ. It was their refusal to allow the airplane at mainline back in the early 1990s that began the outsourcing of RJs in the first place.
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Originally Posted by NEDude
(Post 2255404)
Ireland and the EU did decide to throw the decision to an arbitrator, as per the treaty. That is why the DOT finally caved, they admitted there was no legal grounds to deny because NAI is a properly certified EU airline and staffed according to EU labour laws.
But it's not an Irish airline. It's a Norwegian airline. And Norway is not an EU member. So that argument isn't valid. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by NEDude
(Post 2255404)
Sitting here in Europe I can tell you that is simply not true, Europe does not hate Norwegian. I have yet to meet a pilot here who hates their operation and based on the passenger growth and awards, passengers like them too. NAI, Ireland and the EU did decide to throw the decision to an arbitrator, as per the treaty. That is why the DOT finally caved, they admitted there was no legal grounds to deny because NAI is a properly certified EU airline and staffed according to EU labour laws.
If Trump reverses the decision and it does go to arbitration, the US can expect to lose the decision. If they do, and still deny NAI against the arbitration, what do you think will be the EU response? What happens when the EU begins restricting US airlines in return? Who will benefit from that? |
Originally Posted by DFWAviatior
(Post 2255322)
The reality is globalization happens...and funny enough it is the prevalence of rapid transport across the globe (aircraft!) that has been one of the key components of the increase in globalization.
If you drive a car, you are participating in globalization (even a ford or a chevy, as I've flown parts from Mexico and Canada to Ford and Chevy plants). If you fly an Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier, and even a Boeing, a lot of your components come from abroad. Thanks for helping crush the US aerospace components and manufacturing industry! Do you wear clothes? Literally any article of clothing at all? Thanks for destroying that industry too! Have you shopped at Walmart? Do you put gas in your car? Do you drink almost any brand of Vodka? Tequila? Scotch? Our industry has so far been relatively insulated from globalization. Being prepared for a shift is smart. Clumsy arguments are not. |
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