Pineapple Guy

All equal? You have a pension; mine was terminated. I'll accept pay parity on day one, as long as NWA FULLY funds your legacy DB prior to the acquisition. If they don't, then any "negotiating capital" benefiting the NWA pilots should go there. Apples to apples...

If NWA has so much money, how come you couldn't get them to fully fund your DB and give you pay rates equal to DAL's?

Invisible Man

How much money did you get in the BK settlement for your pension?
IM

newKnow

Pine,

A better question for now is, why aren't we trying to ge the New Delta to get EVERYONES pension back. This is a perfect example of each side looking to what the other got in the past, when we should be looking to the future.

This is the most leverage we will EVER have against the company. If this merger is supposed to be so financially beneficial then let them show it. Let's stop fighting each other and get what we all deserve:

1. Better work rules
2. Increased pay
3. More job protection
4. Better scope
5. A decent pension.

Stop arguing from a position you don't occupy: DAL CEO/CFO. It's not your money and I'm pretty sure you have no idea of what would be fair, because in my opinion there is no such thing. Everybody will get screwed in some way.

The Big Picture is that soon we will all be wearing the same uniform, sharing the same crew room, flying the same aircraft, and asking the same company for the respect we deserve. The sooner we as NWA and DAL pilots realize our proper place -- which is demanding the above items together in unity -- the better it will be for our profession. This is our chance to get back what we had, but if we don't come together real soon, we will blow an great opportunity for the entire profession.

Should NWA full fund the NWA retirement fund before the merger to be fair? Who cares? Should we get full pensions back the way the real airline pilots had them back in the 70's and 80's? Hell yeah.

Getting an advantage on another pilot group to "be fair" for the company is not where it's at. Find the prize and keep you eye on it, my friend.

New K Now

keenster

Hey space,

Lay it on the table as to how we get the NWA management to negotiate new rates with us when our contract is not up for renewal. I am sure that every NWA guy would be all over new pay rates if there was a way to get them. So tell us exactly how to get NWA to do that and we will proceed. You got letter 19 because DAL management need you guys on board for the merger. Do you get it??? DAL management knows that they need NWA or else and the else is probably really bad for DAL in the future. If I had to go it alone I would rather ride the NWA saddle than a DAL saddle because of our cash position and cost structure. We would probably both end up back in BR sooner than later and may do it again combined-- sure hope not.

Another thing, DAL is bringing NWA on board. We come with what we have -a frozen DB plan that may be there or not in the future. THere is no gurantee that it will. Republic guys came to NWA with annuities and they did not give them up. They also got a full retirement from the NWA plan. Why can't you be happy for someone that may be doing good instead of always singing what about me. I am really happy that the republic guys have their annuities and want them to do well. My cup is half full , yours seem to be half empty. It is really funny that you guys think that you are funding our frozen DB plan out of your pot of honey but former NWA pilots, routes, hubs, and planes will be putting money into the same pot of honey that seems to be there only for the DAL guys. That's life and get over it.

If DAL management is so good i should think that the NWA contribution to the honey pot would be very substantial in that we are not fat. We have around 82 employees per plane and DAL has around 107 per plane. According to you guys your pay rates across the board are higher than ours so we should produce more revenue than our DAL counterparts.

Any way I can't wait to get NWA to give us more pay when you tell us exactly how to get them to the table.

Keenster

tsquare

Can't speak for everyone at DAL, but I don't know anybody that wants the DB system back. If anybody does, I'll bet they are on some sort of medication. Nope.. pump up the DC, and gimme a paycheck. I don't want no more promises in this industry.

keenster

What's wrong with the pilot group making the same money??? sounds like you want DAL guys to make more than NWA guys.

It's your company's decision to bring NWA on board. SO, I guess you have to live with it. We will be putting money in the pot to that will be paying for new airplanes, DC,etc. That's life. AS for attrition, You have yours and we have ours. They happen at different times because of when the companies hired. That's life again. When we go together and a guy retires everyone behind moves up a number and that's life unless they do some crazy deal on dynamic senority. Just pray that we get a number and you can fly what you can fly. It is no fun to go 20 years with fences and have a divided group. It is not good for the pilots or the company.

Hopefully no one suffers from airplanes being parked but read the news man of what the other carriers are doing. Parking a whole fleet of 737s. What would be wrong with a 1 for 1 furlow if it has to happen. Both companies stand alone would have to furlow most likely.

Bottom line my advice to you is tell your union and DAL management not the merger with NWA and all your worries about NWA pay raises, DC, planes, bases, and money will go away. Under your thinking If NWA pilots had higher pay rates than dal pilots we would have to take paycuts because we would be taking to much out of the pot.

Deez340

Amen! I want it in my name. I would consider going back to db a risky concession.

flyguy1012

I'm confused a bit. Shouldn't every pilot in the new Delta have all the same benefits. Same pay, same work rules, same retirement plans, benefits,etc.. I understand that NWA pilots want to retain their DB plan, however, I don't think that the new combined company should adhere to any plan that doesn't benefit the whole. IMHO, NWA will cease to exist, it will be Delta Airlines and everyone should have all the same benefits.

Superpilot92

THERE YOU GO WITH ALL THAT LOGIC AGAIN, SHAME ON YOU!!!

Carl Spackler

OK, if you want to convert my DB plan to a DC plan so that all Delta pilots have the same type of plan that's fine by me. I would love to have it in my name as opposed to the ridiculous promise that is a DB plan. If you want to convert all current Delta pilots' DC plans to a DB plan so that we all have the same type of plan, that's also fine with me. If you're a Delta pilot now, I sure would not consider the latter.

Carl