20 October SLI transcript
10-26-2008, 11:48 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Two years ago, Northwest had 18 787's on FIRM order to start delivery in 2008 and Delta had 0 757-200 ER's on firm order. Fast forward to today. Delta has 17 757-200 ER's flying today and Northwest has 0 787's. Firm orders are pieces of paper and are not airplanes. Your 18 FIRM orders are worthless until the jets actually show up and create jobs. Oh and they are especially worthless because the 787 program is in massive disarray now. Which airplanes are creating more pilot jobs today, the FIRM 787's or the "risky" 757-200 ER's?
The delay's in the 787 are outside of nwa's control just like the 737/777 delays (boeing strike) are out of delta's control. This doesn't mean they both will or will not happen.
There is even talk from delta pilots saying the 787 order might be changed into a 777 order.
10-26-2008, 12:02 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
If someone is going to talk about firm orders for their side then they have to take into count the other sides firm orders. There are people on here who like to talk about their orders but only account for their side and discount the others as being BS.
Funny you say that, because the NWA proposal allows for about 280 captain and FO slots for 787s on the NWA side, while not allowing for any additional 777 or 737 slots for the airplanes that we already have coming.
I'll admit, I can't remember how our side treated orders.
So, either we both account for orders, or neither side accounts for orders. And I personally think if you are accounting for firm orders, you also have to account for aircraft you know are going away.
10-26-2008, 02:58 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Funny you say that, because the NWA proposal allows for about 280 captain and FO slots for 787s on the NWA side, while not allowing for any additional 777 or 737 slots for the airplanes that we already have coming.
I'll admit, I can't remember how our side treated orders.
So, either we both account for orders, or neither side accounts for orders. And I personally think if you are accounting for firm orders, you also have to account for aircraft you know are going away.
I'll admit, I can't remember how our side treated orders.
So, either we both account for orders, or neither side accounts for orders. And I personally think if you are accounting for firm orders, you also have to account for aircraft you know are going away.
what airplanes are going away? both sides said they were cutting capacity last spring to account for the rising fuel prices. I know the 9's are old but they were suppose to have 58 of them left. (superpilots #) If delta decides to park airplanes then both sides should take the hit because both were talking reductions in flying.
Hopefully the airplanes that go away are just replaced with newer/better equipment for you guys.
10-26-2008, 03:09 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
If nwa didn't account for the delta 777/737 firm orders they should have seen as they considered the 787.
what airplanes are going away? both sides said they were cutting capacity last spring to account for the rising fuel prices. I know the 9's are old but they were suppose to have 58 of them left. (superpilots #) If delta decides to park airplanes then both sides should take the hit because both were talking reductions in flying.
Hopefully the airplanes that go away are just replaced with newer/better equipment for you guys.
what airplanes are going away? both sides said they were cutting capacity last spring to account for the rising fuel prices. I know the 9's are old but they were suppose to have 58 of them left. (superpilots #) If delta decides to park airplanes then both sides should take the hit because both were talking reductions in flying.
Hopefully the airplanes that go away are just replaced with newer/better equipment for you guys.
Big buzz from the 3rd Floor is that the 28 DC-9-30s in storage are being prepped to return. Destination? ATL and LGA. $65 oil has re-written the marketing plan...again. THIS is why you don't bet your SLI on what MIGHT happen.
Combined with the number of guys with their fingers on the retirement trigger, and there could be some serious movement here shortly. I think this month's APA was just the start.
Nu
10-26-2008, 03:13 PM
#105
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Yes, there are a lot of things in the works. The Code a phone here states differing economic positions. What I term this to mean is that there is good and bad. Bad is 777 and 787 delays, good is there will be some other lift avail. IE no reason to post an AE when things are about to change.
10-26-2008, 04:16 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas Eric,
Big buzz from the 3rd Floor is that the 28 DC-9-30s in storage are being prepped to return. Destination? ATL and LGA. $65 oil has re-written the marketing plan...again. THIS is why you don't bet your SLI on what MIGHT happen.
Combined with the number of guys with their fingers on the retirement trigger, and there could be some serious movement here shortly. I think this month's APA was just the start.
Nu
Big buzz from the 3rd Floor is that the 28 DC-9-30s in storage are being prepped to return. Destination? ATL and LGA. $65 oil has re-written the marketing plan...again. THIS is why you don't bet your SLI on what MIGHT happen.
Combined with the number of guys with their fingers on the retirement trigger, and there could be some serious movement here shortly. I think this month's APA was just the start.
Nu
Last edited by Eric Stratton; 10-26-2008 at 05:18 PM.
10-26-2008, 06:20 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
Well that can't be good for you guys because that will mean another 300+ NWA pilots stapled to the bottom of the SLI...
(I am not saying its going to happen but i have been hearing the same info fwiw)
Last edited by Superpilot92; 10-26-2008 at 06:47 PM.
10-26-2008, 06:40 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
What??
Bringing more planes out of storage is a bad thing? I guess you read what he wrote wrong.
(I am not saying its going to happen but i have been hearing the same info fwiw)
Bringing more planes out of storage is a bad thing? I guess you read what he wrote wrong. (I am not saying its going to happen but i have been hearing the same info fwiw)
10-26-2008, 06:44 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by newKnow
He was only kidding. Using the DAL SLI method, that's what would happen. Good one, Eric.
10-26-2008, 07:11 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
Well that can't be good for you guys because that will mean another 300+ NWA pilots stapled to the bottom of the SLI...
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