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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 485685)

The pension is exactly what I have stated to you Denny. in 2010, all 1985 guys will have 25 years in because they continue to accrue years toward their 25 even though the benefit is frozen. That was one good caveat we got just prior to bankruptcy.

Better check that one with your R&I guys, Carl. When our plan was hard frozen, everything stopped increasing.

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Originally Posted by contrails (Post 485699)

What do you think they would replace the -400 with at that time?

The replacement for the 747-400 is the 777-300ER.My money says DL converts the first NW 787-800 orders to the 777's. RA is on record saying he thinks the 787-800 is an under performer but he likes the -900.

If there are fences as part of the arbitrated/negotiated seniority list and an aircraft type that is protected by a fence is retired, what happens to those pilots protected by that fence?

For example: DAL decides to retire the 747-400. The NWA pilots who are on that aircraft, and protected by the fence, have no aircraft. They can't go to the 777 because (I assume) that would be fenced too. Same with the 767-400. So they displace to the A-330 and those pilots displace the DAL 767-ER guys not protected by a fence. That strikes me as a bad deal (unfair) to the mid-seniority DAL pilots on the ER.

Or would it work differently?

Why are the DAL 767 aircraft (a widebody) not fenced, yet all the NWA widebodies are fenced?

Why are the DAL 767 aircraft (a widebody) not fenced, yet all the NWA widebodies are fenced?

The only way that the would not be fenced is if we agreed to it.

I think fairness would say the 777-300ER's would be flown by NW pilots as DL would be converting NW orders to get those airframes.There is also a strong possibility that the 787 will be a common category with the 777,a 5 day differences course.I think these are some of the reasons DL is against fences.What a goat rope this could turn into.Let's hope for a negotiated list that addresses all the issues for ALL DL pilots.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 485693)

Yes, and RA will not even hint at doing any hiring or whatnot until after DCC.

Yes, we are looking at 2010 for the departure of the 744 and DC-9's. This is part of DAL's fleet plan assuming the merger is completed. They are giving us the answers here in Georgia and that is why there needs to be protection for the bottom of the list. I know you do not like it, but as of today these are the facts.

I do not believe the 744 will be gone by 2010. I am attending 744 school now and our class had over an hours worth of Q&A with the fleet manager on the 744 fleet and its direction, and we were informed there is no plan to retire the aircraft. DAL does not have an aircraft that can carry the load of the 744. The merger will allow for repositioning of the aircraft to other routes that need the capacity and lift. There is no talk of adding 744 airframes but also no reduction planned. There is planning for an additional 40 hrs per day of 744 flying which will equate into an additional 18+ crews to staff the aircraft. Also the training department is planning on over 200 training events for the 744 in 2009.

The 777-300ER is the replacement for the -400,when this happens has yet to be determined but it could start to happen as early as 2010 all depending on when DL could get the 777's delivered.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 485385)

Is it too much to ask for at least one person to say, sorry, I was wrong? Probably.

I didn't participate in any of that but, I am Sorry!

Can we stop posting this stupid crap now?

I am not sure that the fleet manager would know the mid-term plans, yet. Even if he did, he would be bound not to discuss them, as it is conjure to discuss anything that would be the decision of Delta, post DCC.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 485841)

I have held this position at another airline during a merger and at least there the position was very informed as to where the fleet was going..... What he said had absolutely nothing that he would be bound not to disclose. Using your logic the DAL managers saying the -400 will be gone would be a breach of disclosure. Why do most DAL pilots love to beat the drum the -400 is leaving?