So much Negative....is there any Positive?
09-08-2017, 12:52 PM
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So much Negative....is there any Positive?
As I scan through the various posts here, I have yet to find one that is positive. Most posts are commenting on how bad Mesa is. How the new contract is bad, how the management is bad, and many Mesa pilots saying " don't come here".
With most things, the negative stuff is the stuff which is vocalized and the positive usually is not. Since Mesa is a company I am looking at, I'm hoping there is some positive out there in the dark clouds I keep seeing?
With regards to this post, troll comments are OK, they make for some fun in forums, but as always, helpful comments are appreciated.
With most things, the negative stuff is the stuff which is vocalized and the positive usually is not. Since Mesa is a company I am looking at, I'm hoping there is some positive out there in the dark clouds I keep seeing?
With regards to this post, troll comments are OK, they make for some fun in forums, but as always, helpful comments are appreciated.
09-08-2017, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HansenT
As I scan through the various posts here, I have yet to find one that is positive. Most posts are commenting on how bad Mesa is. How the new contract is bad, how the management is bad, and many Mesa pilots saying " don't come here".
With most things, the negative stuff is the stuff which is vocalized and the positive usually is not. Since Mesa is a company I am looking at, I'm hoping there is some positive out there in the dark clouds I keep seeing?
With regards to this post, troll comments are OK, they make for some fun in forums, but as always, helpful comments are appreciated.
With most things, the negative stuff is the stuff which is vocalized and the positive usually is not. Since Mesa is a company I am looking at, I'm hoping there is some positive out there in the dark clouds I keep seeing?
With regards to this post, troll comments are OK, they make for some fun in forums, but as always, helpful comments are appreciated.
If you live in base and Mesa is a Domicile, then go to Mesa. If not, go to another Regional. Also if you have failed any check ride more than twice, go to Mesa.
You are required to pay for your Ipad, KCM, uniforms. ect.
at the end it's your another job in the airline industry, my bud is a captain there, he is happy because he is the top in the seniority, not looking to move to the big 3 ( personal Reasons) yes he did washout from other regional, previous to MESA.
MESA ( Fast UPgrade)
so there is a lot of things that it can you positive on your way if you want a job quick, with out going to the trouble of going to an interview, wasting money on Hotels, time, preparing for the interview.
so chose what you want, even if you regretted later, you could always reflect that you wanted to go there at the first place.
09-08-2017, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HansenT
As I scan through the various posts here, I have yet to find one that is positive. Most posts are commenting on how bad Mesa is. How the new contract is bad, how the management is bad, and many Mesa pilots saying " don't come here".
With most things, the negative stuff is the stuff which is vocalized and the positive usually is not. Since Mesa is a company I am looking at, I'm hoping there is some positive out there in the dark clouds I keep seeing?
With regards to this post, troll comments are OK, they make for some fun in forums, but as always, helpful comments are appreciated.
With most things, the negative stuff is the stuff which is vocalized and the positive usually is not. Since Mesa is a company I am looking at, I'm hoping there is some positive out there in the dark clouds I keep seeing?
With regards to this post, troll comments are OK, they make for some fun in forums, but as always, helpful comments are appreciated.
First. Some mistakes by the peanut gallery. Their information is a couple of months old. KCM is paid for. We do pay for an iPad out of pocket but receive a monthly reimbursement of $40 for the iPad. We also don't have the same download policies of other regionals since it is our iPad.
Second. You have to work hard to make it to the line. There are no free passes in training, particularly in SIM training. You have to pass a rigorous oral and checkride. So, no matter what happens in the interview, you still need to work your tail off.
Third, on the Ejet, we have seen significant growth in the pilot base this summer. However, we remain short of pilots for both the Ejet (12 more planes this year) and the CRJ and it is routine to earn 300% for legs you pick up on your days off. It is early in the month and I already have 20 more credit hours than I am scheduled to fly.
Fourth. You will fly with a line. Nearly no reserve.
Fifth. Our pilots are building their time, upgrading, and going elsewhere quickly --- Spirit, Allegiant, Southwest --- are just some of the airlines I have heard in the past month. That means you get a decent line faster.
Sixth. The employees are friendly and generally care. That doesn't mean you won't run across an occassional as$hole.
If you live in base, particularly IAH, and fly the Ejet, life is good (unless your house was flooded by Harvey). Of course, the downside is a lack of quality and affordable health insurance.
09-08-2017, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Turboprop
If you live in base and Mesa is a Domicile, then go to Mesa. If not, go to another Regional.
For the record, I have no experience with Mesa whatsoever, and my only experience with commuting was after the company closed my domicile.
The last, and only, year I commuted from IAH to MSP (2015), I figured I spent about $3000 between hotels and extra meals (I do bring some snacks, but unlike some folks, I refuse to pack a refrigerator). That works out to about $4/hour after taxes.
Add to that effectively losing 2-4 days off each month. That isn't easy to monetize, but were I to get an offer today that included the same kind of commute, I wouldn't even think about it for less than $20k more (about $14k after taxes).
Keep in mind I was in the top 15% of the list and got many "commutable" trips. I cannot imagine how much it would suck while being on reserve!
09-08-2017, 07:32 PM
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I've been in and out of the aviation industry for 25 years and it seems to be the case that - no matter the salary or conditions - some pilots just have to bi*** and moan endlessly. I know guys in the Regionals that love their jobs, and guys at the Majors/Internationals who hate their jobs.
A friend of mine is the Chief Pilot of a major airline and tells young people every chance he gets "don't go into flying - it's crap!" This from a guy who's been making $200K/yr since he was 35, works a easy schedule, and lives near the beach in a big fancy house...
Obviously there are differences in corporate cultures and contracts, etc., but I believe, at the end of day, your attitude, more than anything else determines your experience of life and your job.
I also know for a fact, that a lot of people get their attitude about Mesa without any real experience or knowledge of the place. In my last ground school, every instructor took every opportunity to bag Mesa - it just became a running joke. None of those guys had ever worked there, they were just repeating what the last guys said (one very senior CA made a typical Mesa remark one day and then took it back saying, "no, I shouldn't say that - they're okay really." Only guy that ever qualified what he said).
It seemed to be a competitive thing because my company hadn't (yet) taken over all their flying, you had to rag on 'em. So what kind of response do you think you'd get if you asked the other 35 guys in my class if you asked them about Mesa?
A friend of mine is the Chief Pilot of a major airline and tells young people every chance he gets "don't go into flying - it's crap!" This from a guy who's been making $200K/yr since he was 35, works a easy schedule, and lives near the beach in a big fancy house...
Obviously there are differences in corporate cultures and contracts, etc., but I believe, at the end of day, your attitude, more than anything else determines your experience of life and your job.
I also know for a fact, that a lot of people get their attitude about Mesa without any real experience or knowledge of the place. In my last ground school, every instructor took every opportunity to bag Mesa - it just became a running joke. None of those guys had ever worked there, they were just repeating what the last guys said (one very senior CA made a typical Mesa remark one day and then took it back saying, "no, I shouldn't say that - they're okay really." Only guy that ever qualified what he said).
It seemed to be a competitive thing because my company hadn't (yet) taken over all their flying, you had to rag on 'em. So what kind of response do you think you'd get if you asked the other 35 guys in my class if you asked them about Mesa?
09-10-2017, 12:12 PM
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When everyone else says no, Mesa will still give you a chance to be employed flying jets. Otherwise, hard to recommend them, as QOL is what matters(pay, benefits, commuting, time at home, hotels, and schedules).
When I worked at Mesa, it was perfect timing, I could honestly say that I made more money there with time invested, than anywhere else. 18 month upgrade, no one else was upgrading at the time, let alone in 18 months.
When I worked at Mesa, it was perfect timing, I could honestly say that I made more money there with time invested, than anywhere else. 18 month upgrade, no one else was upgrading at the time, let alone in 18 months.
09-10-2017, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
A lot of the comments that are negative deal with the contract. Go look at any regionals forum during or immediately after a contract. Negativity abounds.
First. Some mistakes by the peanut gallery. Their information is a couple of months old. KCM is paid for. We do pay for an iPad out of pocket but receive a monthly reimbursement of $40 for the iPad. We also don't have the same download policies of other regionals since it is our iPad.
Second. You have to work hard to make it to the line. There are no free passes in training, particularly in SIM training. You have to pass a rigorous oral and checkride. So, no matter what happens in the interview, you still need to work your tail off.
Third, on the Ejet, we have seen significant growth in the pilot base this summer. However, we remain short of pilots for both the Ejet (12 more planes this year) and the CRJ and it is routine to earn 300% for legs you pick up on your days off. It is early in the month and I already have 20 more credit hours than I am scheduled to fly.
Fourth. You will fly with a line. Nearly no reserve.
Fifth. Our pilots are building their time, upgrading, and going elsewhere quickly --- Spirit, Allegiant, Southwest --- are just some of the airlines I have heard in the past month. That means you get a decent line faster.
Sixth. The employees are friendly and generally care. That doesn't mean you won't run across an occassional as$hole.
If you live in base, particularly IAH, and fly the Ejet, life is good (unless your house was flooded by Harvey). Of course, the downside is a lack of quality and affordable health insurance.
First. Some mistakes by the peanut gallery. Their information is a couple of months old. KCM is paid for. We do pay for an iPad out of pocket but receive a monthly reimbursement of $40 for the iPad. We also don't have the same download policies of other regionals since it is our iPad.
Second. You have to work hard to make it to the line. There are no free passes in training, particularly in SIM training. You have to pass a rigorous oral and checkride. So, no matter what happens in the interview, you still need to work your tail off.
Third, on the Ejet, we have seen significant growth in the pilot base this summer. However, we remain short of pilots for both the Ejet (12 more planes this year) and the CRJ and it is routine to earn 300% for legs you pick up on your days off. It is early in the month and I already have 20 more credit hours than I am scheduled to fly.
Fourth. You will fly with a line. Nearly no reserve.
Fifth. Our pilots are building their time, upgrading, and going elsewhere quickly --- Spirit, Allegiant, Southwest --- are just some of the airlines I have heard in the past month. That means you get a decent line faster.
Sixth. The employees are friendly and generally care. That doesn't mean you won't run across an occassional as$hole.
If you live in base, particularly IAH, and fly the Ejet, life is good (unless your house was flooded by Harvey). Of course, the downside is a lack of quality and affordable health insurance.
I am glad, it has change for the good positive way...
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