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One of the pilots who used to regularly post here and moved on to Air Wisconsin (for the bonus, left seat and a base near his home) was very open that Mesa took a mid-50’s lawyer who wasn’t current, trained him, and made him a decent airline pilot. He wasn’t sure he would have gotten that opportunity from any other regional.
It worries me a bit that our Ejet training program is struggling. We used to have one of the best programs. Just watching to see if management will make the right changes. Judging on what one of the CA upgrades told me this month, the instructors teaching our Ejet classes now really don’t care.
It worries me a bit that our Ejet training program is struggling. We used to have one of the best programs. Just watching to see if management will make the right changes. Judging on what one of the CA upgrades told me this month, the instructors teaching our Ejet classes now really don’t care.
Ummmm, yeah.... he was NOT a lawyer but an elected judge who prosided over speeding tickets etc. he is no longer at whiskey but at xjt...was the last I heard!!!
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So, you are saying Mesa didn’t train him to be that good of pilot after all, since he washed out of Air Wisconsin’s program? Bit surprised he went to XJT because the commute would be no better — guess he decided he couldn’t come back here.
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That wasn’t me, just another happy K4 employee who shakes his head at all of his regional buddies that refuse to touch Kalitta with a 10 ft pole. I really don’t care anymore, it’s not like we are hiring regional pilots in decent numbers any more. The few we try to get an interview, at the risk of our own reputation, have failed miserably during the interview or decided against going to the interview. My colleagues and myself have instituted a “one strike” rule.
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"It worries me a bit that our Ejet training program is struggling. We used to have one of the best programs. Just watching to see if management will make the right changes. Judging on what one of the CA upgrades told me this month, the instructors teaching our Ejet classes now really don’t care."
This is what we're hearing from several pilot recruits we know have started with Mesa, some as far back as September. They went to Mesa because of the training department's reputation. It's worse than "struggling". They are disillusioned at present:
** Instructors don't care, are not following any sort of training syllabus, protocol, or footprint, and are overtly complaining to the students in-class;
** Instructors are shorting the time requirements and then sending students to wallow around with no direction and no feedback. Class sessions set for 8, 6, or 4 hours are routinely cut off in half the time, with the material hardly covered;
** There are no training standards, completion standards, or evaluation standards ever provided and they vary, widely, between instructors ~ we've been told when asked to provide these standards by students, Mesa simply stops communicating and buries its head in the sand;
** The indoc and ground instructors, except for one (?), have never actually flown the E-Jet ~ so much for the tag-line, "taught by line pilots". The main two ground instructors, while nice guys with lots of stories, haven't flown anything for decades;
** There is no schedule and 270+ pilot recruits are/have been sitting in Phoenix for weeks waiting. Some have told us their hotel stays have stopped and Mesa simply told them to go home and wait. This is not how you treat new hires. We hear nobody from the December or January classes has even been scheduled for SIM yet;
Mesa knew this was coming, they hired several hundred pilots since August, and they knew the resources necessary to get them on-board, trained, IOE'd, and on-line. They have failed and the failure is egregious, almost bordering on fraud ~ six, seven, and eight months from class start to IOE is ridiculous, all while these pilot's skills deteriorate from not flying [precluded by their employment].
This is what we're hearing from several pilot recruits we know have started with Mesa, some as far back as September. They went to Mesa because of the training department's reputation. It's worse than "struggling". They are disillusioned at present:
** Instructors don't care, are not following any sort of training syllabus, protocol, or footprint, and are overtly complaining to the students in-class;
** Instructors are shorting the time requirements and then sending students to wallow around with no direction and no feedback. Class sessions set for 8, 6, or 4 hours are routinely cut off in half the time, with the material hardly covered;
** There are no training standards, completion standards, or evaluation standards ever provided and they vary, widely, between instructors ~ we've been told when asked to provide these standards by students, Mesa simply stops communicating and buries its head in the sand;
** The indoc and ground instructors, except for one (?), have never actually flown the E-Jet ~ so much for the tag-line, "taught by line pilots". The main two ground instructors, while nice guys with lots of stories, haven't flown anything for decades;
** There is no schedule and 270+ pilot recruits are/have been sitting in Phoenix for weeks waiting. Some have told us their hotel stays have stopped and Mesa simply told them to go home and wait. This is not how you treat new hires. We hear nobody from the December or January classes has even been scheduled for SIM yet;
Mesa knew this was coming, they hired several hundred pilots since August, and they knew the resources necessary to get them on-board, trained, IOE'd, and on-line. They have failed and the failure is egregious, almost bordering on fraud ~ six, seven, and eight months from class start to IOE is ridiculous, all while these pilot's skills deteriorate from not flying [precluded by their employment].
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