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Old 09-26-2022 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
I respectfully disagree, it’s much more useful in the right seat
Being a CFI teaches you people skills and the discipline to hold your tongue when you’re flying with people that you really do not want to associate with in your time off.
You learn to introduce your opinion in a non confrontational way.
Being a CFI is about development of your people skills.
You’ll need to work for a independent school or FBO where you have all ages and all skill levels walking in.
If you work for a sausage factory where every student is your own age and you call them dude and brah….not so much.
ok, whatever. I guess having a CFI credential and a few checkride sign offs has absolutely no relevance to being a CA and mentoring a new FO. I’m happy to be wrong.
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Old 09-26-2022 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bnkangle
ok, whatever. I guess having a CFI credential and a few checkride sign offs has absolutely no relevance to being a CA and mentoring a new FO. I’m happy to be wrong.
I think you’re both right 👍🏻
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Old 09-27-2022 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by gomissedagain
I think you’re both right 👍🏻
I think the time in these trainers is next to useless. They are LSA - you cannot fly IFR in them. Practice approaches sure but real hard IFR? No. I want someone who has flown enough variety to have scared themselves - several times. I want someone who knows how to react when the **** hits the fan and the pressure is on. The absolute best FO's I've flown with were cadets from Southern. The worst are the RTC transition pilots. The Caravan drivers are well versed in their instrument procedures. They can fly the plane. The RTC guys are weak instrument pilots (great guys) but we are teaching basic skills IN AN AIRLINER.

The Pipi long stockings FO's are going to be a handful.
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Old 09-27-2022 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I think the time in these trainers is next to useless. They are LSA - you cannot fly IFR in them. Practice approaches sure but real hard IFR? No. I want someone who has flown enough variety to have scared themselves - several times. I want someone who knows how to react when the **** hits the fan and the pressure is on. The absolute best FO's I've flown with were cadets from Southern. The worst are the RTC transition pilots. The Caravan drivers are well versed in their instrument procedures. They can fly the plane. The RTC guys are weak instrument pilots (great guys) but we are teaching basic skills IN AN AIRLINER.

The Pipi long stockings FO's are going to be a handful.
I agree with this 100%. When I said I think they were both right, unless I misunderstood, I meant there are extremely valuable skills that transfer from being a CFI to both the right AND left seats.

I taught RTC guys. My biggest gripe was their attitudes. They wanted the least amount of my input in order to have to do the least amount of work in order to just get their creds and hours. I’m not making a blanket statement on ALL RTC guys but I taught enough to see pattern.

I also think that a 1,500 CFI (which I was) does have quite a bit lacking when jumping into 121 regional jets and makes initial training more difficult and the quality of said training needs to be very high.
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Old 09-28-2022 | 06:21 PM
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When Mesa had San Juan and ASU 250 hr pilots showing up for training they did fine. Had them for AizoE and they did fine.
some of the best Check Airmen and sim Instructors at Kalitta Air were B1900 pilots before they came to the 747.
it’s not about how they build time, it’s about their attitude when they get to the next level.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I think the time in these trainers is next to useless. They are LSA - you cannot fly IFR in them. Practice approaches sure but real hard IFR? No. I want someone who has flown enough variety to have scared themselves - several times. I want someone who knows how to react when the **** hits the fan and the pressure is on. The absolute best FO's I've flown with were cadets from Southern. The worst are the RTC transition pilots. The Caravan drivers are well versed in their instrument procedures. They can fly the plane. The RTC guys are weak instrument pilots (great guys) but we are teaching basic skills IN AN AIRLINER.

The Pipi long stockings FO's are going to be a handful.
RTC is that the same as RTAG, the military rotary guys? They are the best FOs I have flown with. skilled, disciplined, respectful, excellent work ethic, able to take criticism. I wish they were all like that.
And all of them had excellent instrument skills. One guy, if recall correctly was in the 160th SOAR night stalkers, you don't get selected for that if you're weak in anything.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Uffda
RTC is that the same as RTAG, the military rotary guys? They are the best FOs I have flown with. skilled, disciplined, respectful, excellent work ethic, able to take criticism. I wish they were all like that.
And all of them had excellent instrument skills. One guy, if recall correctly was in the 160th SOAR night stalkers, you don't get selected for that if you're weak in anything.
They are great guys. But the ones I’ve flown with are weak on IFR and crosswinds. Otherwise everything you have said it true. They are teachable. They all get better.
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Old 09-30-2022 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Uffda
RTC is that the same as RTAG, the military rotary guys? They are the best FOs I have flown with. skilled, disciplined, respectful, excellent work ethic, able to take criticism. I wish they were all like that.
And all of them had excellent instrument skills. One guy, if recall correctly was in the 160th SOAR night stalkers, you don't get selected for that if you're weak in anything.
Respectfully disagree. Every pilot population/group has the whole spectrum of skills and capabilities. This group in particular compared to military non rotary, CFIs, and Part 135 guys is overall routinely struggling with basic instrument stuff. Not one example, many.
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Old 09-30-2022 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I think the time in these trainers is next to useless. They are LSA - you cannot fly IFR in them. Practice approaches sure but real hard IFR? No. I want someone who has flown enough variety to have scared themselves - several times. I want someone who knows how to react when the **** hits the fan and the pressure is on. The absolute best FO's I've flown with were cadets from Southern. The worst are the RTC transition pilots. The Caravan drivers are well versed in their instrument procedures. They can fly the plane. The RTC guys are weak instrument pilots (great guys) but we are teaching basic skills IN AN AIRLINER.

The Pipi long stockings FO's are going to be a handful.
You think any of the puppy-mill flight schools in Phoenix and Florida are flying any “hard IFR” in their real airplanes? Doubtful. Nothing new really.
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Old 09-30-2022 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by I was inverted
You think any of the puppy-mill flight schools in Phoenix and Florida are flying any “hard IFR” in their real airplanes? Doubtful. Nothing new really.
I’d be willing to bet most flight schools everywhere aren’t flying in “hard IFR,” but their planes are capable of flying in IFR vs. a light sport that doesn’t even have the option.
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