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Quote: 3664638[/url]]There has been rumors mesa will go under literally every few months for the past two decades. It won't happen. I swear I can count at least 10 of these rumors in recent memory. Covid, AA ending contract with Mesa, Mesa losing 30 million bucks at one point, Mesa stock crashing, Mesa not wanting to up pilot pay, etc.

"BuT tHiS tImE iT wIlL ReAlLy HaPpEn!! 111!1!"

No it won't, quit it. At this point anyone who says Mesa will fold is a joke. Air Wisconsin or commutair is WAy more likely to shut down before Mesa ever will.

A more believable rumor would be United wanting to buy Mesa and merge them together. This is a fresh new rumor that only emerged in low the past year or two and is way more likely to happen than Mesa closing it's books.
when was the last time mesa was profitable without uncle Scott and Uncle Sam opening up their checkbooks? 4+ years ago?

the thing about this time is that anyone who has sat in a business class for more than 5 minutes understands shrinking revenue due to no captains and fixed overhead = failure.

no other time in mesa and JO’s history were the majors hiring regional FO’s. So this time IS different.
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Word in PHX is that Mesa wants to basically become a major. They are trying to sell all thier CRJs and put in more orders for 737s expanding the 737 fleet greatly. And have even bigger planes than the 737 in the far future. But the top priority right now is basically sell CRJs and buy much more 737s and expand thier routes and compete with southwest and all other LCCs.

Basically Mesa will be a ULCC with 737 ops for passenegers first and foremost, then in the future expand 737 cargo ops with Amazon contract, and in the very far future 767/757 pax ops for long haul trans-Atlantic European/asian flights.
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Quote: Word in PHX is that Mesa wants to basically become a major. They are trying to sell all thier CRJs and put in more orders for 737s expanding the 737 fleet greatly. And have even bigger planes than the 737 in the far future. But the top priority right now is basically sell CRJs and buy much more 737s and expand thier routes and compete with southwest and all other LCCs.

Basically Mesa will be a ULCC with 737 ops for passenegers first and foremost, then in the future expand 737 cargo ops with Amazon contract, and in the very far future 767/757 pax ops for long haul trans-Atlantic European/asian flights.
I doubt that will come to pass. Just my crystal ball.
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Quote: Word in PHX is that Mesa wants to basically become a major. They are trying to sell all thier CRJs and put in more orders for 737s expanding the 737 fleet greatly. And have even bigger planes than the 737 in the far future. But the top priority right now is basically sell CRJs and buy much more 737s and expand thier routes and compete with southwest and all other LCCs.

Basically Mesa will be a ULCC with 737 ops for passenegers first and foremost, then in the future expand 737 cargo ops with Amazon contract, and in the very far future 767/757 pax ops for long haul trans-Atlantic European/asian flights.
This is why I’m on APC. Thanks for the laugh.
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Quote: Two things: A Year is an eternity in the airline world. A lot can and will happen before the next 2-months is up.

Secondly: United has a vested interest both financially and operationally in making sure Mesa weathers the current market conditions. Mesa isn't going anywhere.

On a side note: How is the attrition rate for Captains? Are people sticking around for the mandatory 2-year aviate flow? Or are they bouncing before?
Nobody in the 2 year program is ca qualified at this point.
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Quote: Latest Rumor I’m hearing is JO came to the training department and told them if we don’t get captains fast enough Mesa will go under in a year. Can anyone confirm this?
This happened. Is it true? Your mileage may vary.
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Quote: There has been rumors mesa will go under literally every few months for the past two decades. It won't happen. I swear I can count at least 10 of these rumors in recent memory. Covid, AA ending contract with Mesa, Mesa losing 30 million bucks at one point, Mesa stock crashing, Mesa not wanting to up pilot pay, etc.

"BuT tHiS tImE iT wIlL ReAlLy HaPpEn!! 111!1!"

No it won't, quit it. At this point anyone who says Mesa will fold is a joke. Air Wisconsin or commutair is WAy more likely to shut down before Mesa ever will.

A more believable rumor would be United wanting to buy Mesa and merge them together. This is a fresh new rumor that only emerged in the past year or two and is way more likely to happen than Mesa closing it's books.
United is not merging with mesa.
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Quote: Everyone at Xjet said the same thing. Trust me (ex Jet Link’r)
I think the biggest difference between ExpressJet and Mesa is that ExpressJet was a reliable, albeit more expensive, regional lift provider. United made their decision long ago that they were going to partner with lower cost options at the expense of reliability with an "I can change them" attitude. I'm sure some United executive came home from work one day and found a new addition on their house after making that decision.

Pay now, or pay later...
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This place is sinking. 8-17 CA leaving a month as well as FOs. Don’t know if this is still sustainable. Rumors are someone hire up knows about something happening.
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Quote: This place is sinking. 8-17 CA leaving a month as well as FOs. Don’t know if this is still sustainable. Rumors are someone hire up knows about something happening.
Like how to spell HIGHER? There’s no September announcement. This IS mirroring what Express Jet went through. There’s no denying that. Actual NET attrition isn’t as bad as you state. It IS negative though both on the CA and FO side but only a couple pilots. It’s not enough to define as a trend yet.
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