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forumname 09-01-2009 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by benairguitar23 (Post 671342)
Now THIS is a rumor I CAN believe. This would give SKW so many more options and more guaranteed contracts.:) Plus it doesn't sound like RAH wants to keep Lynx so if someone wants to buy them who better than SKW.

I wonder if they'll give then the lovely option of the offer to hire all the Lynx pilots at the bottom of the list on an as needed basis, a la XJT summer 08.

johnso29 09-01-2009 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by benairguitar23 (Post 671342)
Now THIS is a rumor I CAN believe. This would give SKW so many more options and more guaranteed contracts.:) Plus it doesn't sound like RAH wants to keep Lynx so if someone wants to buy them who better than SKW.

I hate to pee in your Cheerios, but guaranteed contracts are quickly becoming extinct and will soon be a thing of the past. Legacy's have started making the regional take some of the risk too, and it will continue.

iPilot 09-01-2009 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 671384)
I hate to pee in your Cheerios, but guaranteed contracts are quickly becoming extinct and will soon be a thing of the past. Legacy's have started making the regional take some of the risk too, and it will continue.

And let's not forget those "guaranteed" contracts only last until the major goes bankrupt. Ex-ACA guys can tell you all about that.

EngineOut 09-01-2009 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by benairguitar23 (Post 671342)
Now THIS is a rumor I CAN believe. This would give SKW so many more options and more guaranteed contracts.:) Plus it doesn't sound like RAH wants to keep Lynx so if someone wants to buy them who better than SKW.

If we were to buy Lynx from RAH (which I doubt, personally), I'd expect Jerry to operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary and only with the understanding that INC. would be able to operate the Q400 (current and future airframes) for other airlines like United, Continental, and Delta. With payrates like those, why would you want to fold them into SkyWest?

rickair7777 09-01-2009 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by EngineOut (Post 671404)
If we were to buy Lynx from RAH (which I doubt, personally), I'd expect Jerry to operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary and only with the understanding that INC. would be able to operate the Q400 (current and future airframes) for other airlines like United, Continental, and Delta. With payrates like those, why would you want to fold them into SkyWest?

This has been a topic of conversation at SKW. We suspect that JA will not keep Lynx separate...he would gain 100 bottom-feeder pilots on one hand, and lose 2800 pilots to ALPA on the other. Lynx probably isn't worth it.

Golden Bear 09-01-2009 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by iPilot (Post 671389)
And let's not forget those "guaranteed" contracts only last until the major goes bankrupt.

Not always true: When SKYW bought ASA part of the deal was a new extended fee-for-departure codeshare deal for both SKYW and ASA and that SKYW would hold back $100 mil. of the purchase price for one year or until the guaranteed terms of the codeshare agreement were affirmed in BK court (DAL had not yet declared, but all signs indicated it was imminent).

SKYW got their contract re-affirmed and DAL got their cash.

Vegaspilot 09-01-2009 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 671215)
That's the one I'm hearing... from ASA management. Apparently SKW wants to buy Lynx and RAH is interested.

If that rumor is true, beers on me...I'll take SKW any day.

forumname 09-01-2009 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 671408)
This has been a topic of conversation at SKW. We suspect that JA will not keep Lynx separate...he would gain 100 bottom-feeder pilots on one hand

WOW, nice slam on the guys Lynx there. Funny, Lynx has a few furloughed XJT pilots, as well as Mesa pilots that are making more than if they stayed at Mesa, as well as pilots furloughed from other carriers.

Help me remember, how much did SkyWest fly the 70/90 seat airframes for? And what affect did that have on other unionized airlines that negotiate pay rates? And how has that helped someone like you who gets to ride the coat tails? I wouldn't go so far as to say they (SKW) were "bottom feeders", but they hardly raised the bar or set a new standard.

Seriously, might want to rethink/rephrase what you think of those pilots.


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 671408)
and lose 2800 pilots to ALPA on the other. Lynx probably isn't worth it.

Past voting records would not indicate that.


Originally Posted by Vegaspilot (Post 671423)
If that rumor is true, beers on me...I'll take SKW any day.

Are you familiar with what SkyWest wanted to do with XJT if they bought them out last summer?

Granted, for your SPECIFIC situation, it may work. But if you were a CA at Lynx, and was offered the sweet offer to be rehired at the bottom of the list with no upgrade in site, would you still say the same?

Vegaspilot 09-01-2009 06:54 PM

Good points. I'm looking at QOL and basing. With the current option I think we are headed east...not happy about that. Plus I have a pretty good idea of how SKW works.

iPilot 09-01-2009 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 671413)
Not always true: When SKYW bought ASA part of the deal was a new extended fee-for-departure codeshare deal for both SKYW and ASA and that SKYW would hold back $100 mil. of the purchase price for one year or until the guaranteed terms of the codeshare agreement were affirmed in BK court (DAL had not yet declared, but all signs indicated it was imminent).

SKYW got their contract re-affirmed and DAL got their cash.

Yeah that was a clever tactic to make sure they got that contract by leveraging ASA. However what about next time? If UA went Ch. 11 tomorrow what's not to say they cut SKW's contract in half? They don't have any assets that can be bought like ASA so there's nothing to pay your way into.

If US Air went tango-uniform and completely dissolved, there won't be an airline left to contract with. No amount of negotiating can save any regional attached to a dissolved major.


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