Mesa
#5861
They don't have one yet, as new hires coming in have completed the atp written before that July 31st deadline. I'm sure it is in the works but until they run short on new hires because of that don't expect anything.
#5862
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Flying is a pleasure not a job. Let people enjoy what they do and what they chose.. do not criticize when you see a regional offering fast upgrades to new hires.. if a guy with 3000 TT deserves to become a Captain the company will give him the chance. If not he can try later on when he will be ready.. I don't think that Mesa will upgrade somebody if he is not capable.. Good day to everybody
So, like, it's ok to do it for free? To undercut men & women with mouths to feed and bills to pay? It's like GOLFING?
I know, I know, you have no idea what you're talking about b/c you're new to airline flying in the US. But the mindset you are expressing is EXACTLY why regionals are still taking concessions (and operating under 2010 bankruptcy payscales at Mesa), even whilst our legacy partners are making record profits (and rewarding their crews financially in turn).
Go to EagleJet in Florida--get out your checkbook--they'll find you a big shiny plane to go fly around for $20-30K USD--it's such a pleasure doing it, after all!!!
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#5864
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 94
"Flying is a pleasure not a job." Are you effing serious?
So, like, it's ok to do it for free? To undercut men & women with mouths to feed and bills to pay? It's like GOLFING?
I know, I know, you have no idea what you're talking about b/c you're new to airline flying in the US. But the mindset you are expressing is EXACTLY why regionals are still taking concessions (and operating under 2010 bankruptcy payscales at Mesa), even whilst our legacy partners are making record profits (and rewarding their crews financially in turn).
Go to EagleJet in Florida--get out your checkbook--they'll find you a big shiny plane to go fly around for $20-30K USD--it's such a pleasure doing it, after all!!!
So, like, it's ok to do it for free? To undercut men & women with mouths to feed and bills to pay? It's like GOLFING?
I know, I know, you have no idea what you're talking about b/c you're new to airline flying in the US. But the mindset you are expressing is EXACTLY why regionals are still taking concessions (and operating under 2010 bankruptcy payscales at Mesa), even whilst our legacy partners are making record profits (and rewarding their crews financially in turn).
Go to EagleJet in Florida--get out your checkbook--they'll find you a big shiny plane to go fly around for $20-30K USD--it's such a pleasure doing it, after all!!!
#5865
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 94
Probably for another thread, but this is something that really interests me. Are they really that incompetent at Eastern/Asian airlines? Truly unable to fly a visual, handle an emergency, etc?
Sometimes I find anecdotal evidence for this, or read things like your post, but not much is written about it. It kind of changes the argument that a piloted airliner is safer when this is the situation outside of the western world. Also makes me want to quit flying. What's the point in being competent anymore?
The Taiwan crash is a good example. If it turns out to be a simple engine failure, the pilots should have been able to handle the situation.
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Sometimes I find anecdotal evidence for this, or read things like your post, but not much is written about it. It kind of changes the argument that a piloted airliner is safer when this is the situation outside of the western world. Also makes me want to quit flying. What's the point in being competent anymore?
The Taiwan crash is a good example. If it turns out to be a simple engine failure, the pilots should have been able to handle the situation.
PM me if you want cherokee
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#5866
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Guys, I think you are worrying a little too much about this. These guys will have to demonstrate during IOE that they are able to set the tone as the captain and make safe and competent decisions. When they do their FED ride, with the FAA or Hogan, they are looking to make sure the new Captain can do it. After they finish IOE, 100 hours later, they are getting a line check, 6 months later they are resetting the AQP clock and they go back to Phoenix for AQP. The new captains are receiving excellent training, and frequent training in their first 6 months doing it.
And on top of all of this, they already been doing it from the right seat for the past 1000 hours.
So like I said earlier, they need to set the tone, be the PIC, and make competent decisions, IF they want to pass IOE.
Do you honestly think Hogan would allow some one that is a danger to pass? Do you honestly think that Tallman doing a 100 hour line check down the road would allow an unsafe captain to continue? Do you honestly think one of the many AQP instructors would allow a captain who was incompetent to continue?
FO's are one thing, being a Captain is not a right, and can go away as quickly as you got it.
And on top of all of this, they already been doing it from the right seat for the past 1000 hours.
So like I said earlier, they need to set the tone, be the PIC, and make competent decisions, IF they want to pass IOE.
Do you honestly think Hogan would allow some one that is a danger to pass? Do you honestly think that Tallman doing a 100 hour line check down the road would allow an unsafe captain to continue? Do you honestly think one of the many AQP instructors would allow a captain who was incompetent to continue?
FO's are one thing, being a Captain is not a right, and can go away as quickly as you got it.
#5867
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Probably for another thread, but this is something that really interests me. Are they really that incompetent at Eastern/Asian airlines? Truly unable to fly a visual, handle an emergency, etc?
Sometimes I find anecdotal evidence for this, or read things like your post, but not much is written about it. It kind of changes the argument that a piloted airliner is safer when this is the situation outside of the western world. Also makes me want to quit flying. What's the point in being competent anymore?
The Taiwan crash is a good example. If it turns out to be a simple engine failure, the pilots should have been able to handle the situation.
PM me if you want cherokee
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Sometimes I find anecdotal evidence for this, or read things like your post, but not much is written about it. It kind of changes the argument that a piloted airliner is safer when this is the situation outside of the western world. Also makes me want to quit flying. What's the point in being competent anymore?
The Taiwan crash is a good example. If it turns out to be a simple engine failure, the pilots should have been able to handle the situation.
PM me if you want cherokee
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The AirSafe.com News: FAA further restricts non-US airlines using the San Francisco airport
#5868
The FAA does not wish to publicly embarrass a particular airline or the civil aviation organization of that airline's home country by suggesting that it is allowing pilots to fly airliners without having those pilots demonstrate mastery of basic VFR piloting skills.
I say embarrass and shame away.
#5869
#5870
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,054
Where is that taken from? Is it a made up meme thing or an actual Xjet recruiting poster? Doesn't ATP partner with Mesa? Pretty sure I had a a CFI I mentor say he was going to see a shiny new Mesa 175 at an ATP flight school last summer.
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