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Old 11-23-2013 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by EatMyPropwash
Everyone who complains about first year pay I can see doesn't see past the $$$ sign... How about other ways to make money, like your duty rig? 4:1? 2:1? Cancellation pay? Per diem? Upgrade times?, etc... I'm not speaking specifically for Mesa, even though this is a Mesa thread, I'm just pointing out more than just the front page $ sign. Yes, first year pay ANYWHERE you go sucks. If you don't like it, fix it or deal with it. Just sayin' .
I think everyone that becomes a regional pilot sees past first year pay. Consider it you paying for your training. It's when the economy dumps or retirement age increases where the problem is. When everything runs smoothly 3 year upgrade two more years your gone. But when things change the pay is stuck just like you. But at least you have a job.
Old 11-23-2013 | 12:37 PM
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One last thing. Or your regional airline buys a larger regional airline. The bigger regional airline parks their 50 seat aircraft. 800 guys flow to mainline from said bigger regional. That leaves 2700 pilots to integrate into pilot group because both are ALPA carriers. Being a regional and both ALPA unionized, they will go by hire date. Since bigger regional has been hiring over the last two years and has a large pilot group. Anyone who was hired this last year at smaller regional will be at the bottom of a 3500 pilot group list. Since said aircraft deliveries are only 1 a month average, furlough. Now your either looking for other employment or waiting on your call back. And now your two year upgrade just went to five. At a bring home paycheck of around 30k.
Old 11-23-2013 | 04:20 PM
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Skillett you are wrong. It goes off of Career Expectations. It's not as simple as you are making it. Seniority list will not be date of hire. Your current seniority at your current airline pre SLI with your current airplanes is plugged into a computer that factors when your upgrade would happen if there was no SLI. Then it comes back with a seniority number.

I had this same worry. But doesn't matter SLI would be years away, if this even comes to be.
Old 11-23-2013 | 04:32 PM
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Skillett you are wrong. It goes off of Career Expectations. It's not as simple as you are making it. Seniority list will not be date of hire. Your current seniority at your current airline pre SLI with your current airplanes is plugged into a computer that factors when your upgrade would happen if there was no SLI. Then it comes back with a seniority number.

I had this same worry. But doesn't matter SLI would be years away, if this even comes to be.
Not sure how that works. Been talking with my Captain here, he is informing me about our merger contract. I did throw this out on a whim, I knew it was a lot more technical than what I threw out. It was really more of an example of how low the FO pay is down the road if things happen to change for the worse.
Old 11-23-2013 | 04:41 PM
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I would like to see those numbers and the programming perimeters those computers would use.

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Old 11-23-2013 | 05:08 PM
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I think it would be handled same as continental/UAL. They were both Alpa and it was not simply DOH.
Old 11-24-2013 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by skillett
I would like to see those numbers and the programming perimeters those computers would use.
Ok? ......

There's a lot of things I would like to see.
Old 11-24-2013 | 12:16 PM
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Ok? ......

There's a lot of things I would like to see.
It would be nice to see where we would be if such a merger/buyout would occur. At least an idea. I was told a merged pilot list is a must under our contract.
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I won't even consider this rumor until I hear Eagle guys rumbling about it. Any such noise yet?

Prior121, did you hear this from a source or are you just speculating on your own? Both are ok, just curious.
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I won't even consider this rumor until I hear Eagle guys rumbling about it. Any such noise yet?

Prior121, did you hear this from a source or are you just speculating on your own? Both are ok, just curious.
I don't know where prior121 heard that, but I was told by a horse in the barn that we *specifically* wouldn't be buying eagle.
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