Mesa CEO blames Captains, unions for low pay

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05-14-2014 | 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

JO does have a legit point...

Unions, not management, primarily determine how the pilot compensation pie is split up.

But management decides how much pie is available. All they need is to up the size of the pie, and the issues go away.

05-15-2014 | 12:08 AM

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Does he mention how he lost 80+ million in Hawaii.
Jack ass!!!!!!

05-15-2014 | 02:26 AM

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But management decides how much pie is available. All they need is to up the size of the pie, and the issues go away.

Yes, they control the whole pie. But get real...if you made the pie bigger, the senior pilots would NOT turn that excess over to junior pilots or new-hires. Anybody who's been around longer than a few months knows that

05-15-2014 | 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Mesa?s Ornstein Expresses ?Disgust? with Washington | Aviation International News

Some highlights from the RAA convention in St Louis and specifically from Mesa CEO:

- Blames congress for "One Level of Safety" requring 135 operators to comply with 121 maintenance.

- Blames union and greediness of Captains for low-entry level pay and claims FOs at Mesa average $45,000 a year.

- Claims "race to the bottom" is offensive to him and not true

- Says young pilots are going to Europe to fly right seat in an A320 with 250 hours and asks if it is good enough for them, why isn't it good enough for us.

Discuss

I say to expect the 1500 hr rule to be changed really soon. Can't say when. One of the countries Thailand or Cambodia decided to copy the US model and match the 1500 hr rule. It was just rescinded due to the damage it caused to their industry. I am curious to see what happens when the summer hits in the US and the fecal sprays in all directions.
Anyone tried jumpseating lately? It's a mad house! I have watched rev pax get placed on standby because of ac/ crew availability. The whole industry is lobbying against the rule and those guys will win out.

05-15-2014 | 03:31 AM

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What are you saying? All regional lifers have skeletons in the closet? They all screwed up in one way or the other and its entirely their fault they didn't get to a major? I for one am not bashing someone making 100k a year and getting 15 days off a month. But i suppose you will.

I'm not saying every lifer is a total screw up, but by definition, a lifer at a regional is a failed pilot career. Lifers take an excessive piece of the pie which is subsidized by the low FO pay. Taken to the extreme, look at the actions of the lifers at RAH. The unbridled greed displayed by the seniority grab at Frontier was unparalleled in the industry.

05-15-2014 | 04:15 AM

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He actually makes a valid point. "Captain" pay should be capped around 65k and FO's should start around 50k. There's no reason to reward lifers for their career failures.

Oh to be born with with a silver spoon, make EVERY SINGLE life choice correctly, marry a rich girl, and have good timing.

I didn't start flying until I had a family, and paid for it out of pocket with no loans. I stayed at jobs that allowed me to actually raise my family, and then came to a regional just in time to be denied upgrade because of 9/11. When I did hold CA (at the 8 yr. mark) I got displaced the day after finishing IOE.

I may yet get to a major, or I may retire at a regional. Either way I hope to not fly with gilded wonder boys (guess who?). My success or failure is not defined by you. I'll let my wife, son and grandsons decide after I'm gone.

05-15-2014 | 04:25 AM

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And pilots continue to not only work there but beat a path to his door, continuing to put gobs of money in his pocket.

05-15-2014 | 04:36 AM

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I doubt that. The Colgan lobby is far too strong for it to just be rescinded.

05-15-2014 | 04:42 AM

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It's not Ornsteins fault that our contract sucks, it is ours (the pilots) fault. We voted it in. The fault is squarely on our shoulders.

05-15-2014 | 04:56 AM

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I doubt that. The Colgan lobby is far too strong for it to just be rescinded.

Congress didn't play a part in deciding the amount of hours that can be credited off the 1500 total, that rests squarely with the FAA. The FAA decided this path all on their own, it remains to be seen if they make an adjustment or not.