brianb

Because lumping every Pilot out there into one mind thought has done nothing to help the industry. What works for you doesn't necessarily mean it work's for somebody else. I believe the analogy of the big fish in a small pond as opposed to a the small fish in a big pond may be appropriate. Don't speak for someone else until you have walked or jumped in their shoes. It's gotten us nowhere as a whole.

CaptainNameless

"...the SEC in 1992 upheld a fine and multiyear suspension as a stockbroker–his prior career. The agency cited unauthorized trading, misrepresentation and frustrating investigators. Ornstein’s official disciplinary record printout back then: 21 feet long." --Forbes

He was suspended for something. Some shady dealing in a customer's account according to NASD. Right around stock market crash of 1987.

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPag...=182&id=&page=

And fined a whopping $10,000

Paid2fly

How does one enter this "career" without spending a cent on aviation?

ClarenceOver

Pm me if you really want to know

badflaps

He did it all through Amway.

SMACFUM

My OP already said that I read the Forbes article, and that it does not mention anything about a felony conviction. So, it really doesn't answer my question at all.

Paid2fly

Well, that would explain it!

globalexpress

Thanks for the comments about my retort on the site It is SO important that pilots counter the ridiculous comments made by these regional airline CEOs and the RAA.

A few comments about what has been stated on this thread.

First of all, I think it's crazy that anyone should suggest that regional airline Captain should accept lower pay in order to help bring up the pay scales for First Officers. A regional airline Captain is responsible for a multi-million dollar piece of company capital and hundreds of millions of dollars (potentially) of liability if things go pear shaped. SO WHAT if he/she is making six figures? THAT IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PAID. One might argue it should be higher. A regional airline Captain shouldn't be asked to take a pay cut just because regional airline First Officers are paid crap wages. The solution is that regional airline management needs to raise First Officer Wages. Period. End of discussion. Not ask a guy/gal who has committed a decade or more of his/her life to subsidize THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

What these CEOs have done is bid contracts based upon paying and treating their pilots poorly. Now they're in a bind. Pilots are starting to stand up for themselves, but they want to keep that pilot labor "pie" piece of the income statement pretty much the same in order to keep profits up. That's why there's so much emphasis on pilot cost shifting- paying Captains less and using that money to pay First Officers more. If they could do that, their problems disappear in the short term, which is all they care about- the short term. They want someone else (Captains) to pay for their problem, instead of doing the right thing- paying a living wage to entry level pilots. Don't buy into that ridiculousness that someone else should pay for these CEOs to simply do the right thing and recognize market forces.

The "he-he" was really laughing at Ornstein. So out of touch it's laughable. And the problem is that little RAA coven is nothing but an echo chamber. They'll all complain how horrible the 1,500/1,250/1,000/750 hour rule is, how terrible those greedy unions are, how naughty pilots are for voting down raises, etc., etc., without even addressing the real issue.

I agree the 1,500/1,250/1,000/750 hour rule will change someday, and I think that's why regional airline CEOs are so vocal right now. They want the world to know that THEY are the victims. Greedy union pilots are shooting down pay raises. Greedy Captains are taking all the money for themselves so they can't pay their First Officers a living wage. Communities are losing air service because of the 1,500 hour rule. Woe is me, I have to shrink my company because my pilots just rejected a huge pay increase. Why can't we have 250 hr. pilots like they do in other countries, etc., etc.

They want to put pressure on the FAA and the government to change this rule, so they do all of the above, and more, to swing government and public opinion. It's up to us to get the REAL truth out there.

Loon

No, you are not a loser. If you WANTED to be a RAH lifer from the get-go, then you are exempt. I simply said that I myself will have a failed career if I never leave(which very well could be the case) because of my initial goals.
On a separate note, 60-100k sounds good on paper, but in reality it's not that much once you start having kids. I have made north of 90k the last three years and boy does it go quick!

Loon

Probably not true. The rumor that BB and WH did time together is also unsubstantiated and has never been proven. I understand that people don't like these boys, but one is not supposed to tell lies about others.