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#3181
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 49
You know what? Lets just drop the talk on this thread about any new TA's, cancelled flights, etc, and lets use this thread to help our former colleagues become LAMA's. If your at Mesa, it's pretty easy to figure out who I am. PM me, and I'll offer my advice to those that are interested in Kalitta. Other Lama's here can do the same for Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier, Atlas, XOjet, Delta, etc. Theres multiple fights going on here, the only one you guys should be concentrating on is moving up to the next level. You need to develop a sense of what is real, and what is a waste of time. Don't get wrapped into mind games, carrots on sticks, etc. PM me about Kalitta, or about career advice, or what ever you feel is holding you back. Maybe I can point you in the right direction.
#3182
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 62
This kind of attitude (mainline or bust!) is why we have so many 16 or 20 year captains at Mesa. Ironically, it's these same captains who don't go to job fairs or network or do anything outside of updating their resumes on airlineapps, and wonder why mainline isn't barging down their door.
An applicant from an LCC or ACMI with heavy international time looks infinitely better than a stale regional driver who has been as the same job for the better part of two decades.
An applicant from an LCC or ACMI with heavy international time looks infinitely better than a stale regional driver who has been as the same job for the better part of two decades.
There are 16 - 20 year captains at every regional.
#3183
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
Will that phone call ever come? If you go somewhere else, will you end up liking it so much, that you won't care anymore? You need a plan B, C,D,E,F...
#3184
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
If you talk to some of those captains, it becomes apparent that there are other reasons they weren't picked up ("lost decade" aside). And some will just tell you that they make enough for their lifestyle and enjoy high seniority. I've been to many job fairs and am not a 15-year captain. It's ok to stick it out for a while and see what happens before choosing an LCC. Especially with low-ish time and less than 1000 TPIC. Without knowing what they're actually looking for, you can't say ACMI looks better on a resume. From a stability standpoint, six years at Mesa with an upgrade, good extracurriculars and no training failures probably looks better than two regionals and an LCC over that same time period. Which candidate probably has more grit? Judging by some of the people I've seen being picked up, the LCC bar isn't particularly high.
There are 16 - 20 year captains at every regional.
There are 16 - 20 year captains at every regional.
You know, Kalitta was a choice that popped up at the last minute, really wasn't on my radar. I really wanted Spirit or Frontier. If it wasn't for the job fair I went to, and the presentation, I'd still be stuck at Mesa.
It seems to me, most regional pilots want to stick with what they are used to. I am so glad I tried ACMI freight, I will never entertain going back to flying PAX. I don't care, I think international freight with home basing is the best kept secret in aviation.
#3185
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Position: Freight 75/76 FO
Posts: 140
At the end of the day I won't recommend coming or not coming to Mesa but everyone have to create their own path and live by their own mistakes. I live in Houston but I won't go to express jet, I came to mesa because all I needed is some 121 time so I can move on. Gather the info you received here carefully and create a game plan and seek your path to success. Its a regional airline and its not your final destination, if living in base is best for you like it was for me then your choices is limited. My family and I have budget ourselves for the next 5 years so I can be here and also be home with my kids, don't let anyone decide for you except your family.
#3186
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 62
Well, reading this post, I am going to say you are probably holding out for Delta, and thats great. You seem to have a type A personality, and would probably be a great fit for them. All the power to you. A mesa pilot that was in my new hire class is starting his class soon over there, you could do a little digging, find out who he is, and contact him. He is a sharp cookie who managed to make his resume really stand out, particularly due to how junior he was for the position he held.
You know, Kalitta was a choice that popped up at the last minute, really wasn't on my radar. I really wanted Spirit or Frontier. If it wasn't for the job fair I went to, and the presentation, I'd still be stuck at Mesa.
It seems to me, most regional pilots want to stick with what they are used to. I am so glad I tried ACMI freight, I will never entertain going back to flying PAX. I don't care, I think international freight with home basing is the best kept secret in aviation.
You know, Kalitta was a choice that popped up at the last minute, really wasn't on my radar. I really wanted Spirit or Frontier. If it wasn't for the job fair I went to, and the presentation, I'd still be stuck at Mesa.
It seems to me, most regional pilots want to stick with what they are used to. I am so glad I tried ACMI freight, I will never entertain going back to flying PAX. I don't care, I think international freight with home basing is the best kept secret in aviation.
#3187
I think ACMI would be great if you're single, but 2 weeks away from the family is too long. Home basing would be amazing, and while you can get that sort of thing at a place like Netjets as well, your W2 will never be what it could've been.
#3188
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
I actually feel much more rested here than Mesa. On any given flight with an augmented or double crew, you get to rest. Sometimes you are very tired, but I managed so far to get in six hours of sleep before show time, which helps greatly. If you can't sleep on an airplane, don't come to K4. It's very nice having a single 12 hour flight every couple of days. You get plenty of down time to explore everywhere you go usually. You know, the most senior position at AA is the international relief pilot, and starting out here, thats what you do the most. I've been to Hong Kong, Korea, Germany, Belgium, Kuwait, Bahrain, India, France, etc. Love walking around Hong Kong. The international hotels are very nice, four or five stars, breakfast included in the vast majority of them. The catering is amazing, always more food than anyone could possibly eat. Regional pilots seem to have this idea in their head that K4 is the Mesa of the cargo world. I get a laugh out of that, if only they knew how wrong they are.
#3189
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,275
Do you have any idea how nice it is to have all of your days off in a row? Every time you come home, it's like a vacation. You work the first half of one month, and the second half of the following month, you get a month off, and you haven't even touched your vacation time. Theres pilots here who don't even use vacation because they don't feel a need for it. I am married, I have kids. When daddy comes home, we have quality time together, we can do stuff. I'm not stressed out and cranky on the last day at home because I have a paid ticket to go to work. I don't have to go early for multiple chances, and all that garbage. I don't have to pay for a hotel room ever, nor for transportation. No crash pads. This goes back to my point that regional pilots want to stick to what they are used to. Let go, broaden your view, you might be much happier.
Your W2? Fourth year CA pay to first year here is a pay increase. One of the CA's I flew with made 280k last year. Thats old contract...
I don't know about you, but making six figures where I live is pretty comfortable living. At the absolute minimum, without perdiem, first year is 6000 a month. In the busy months, you can make closer to 10k, maybe 15. I know some guys that had 140 hour months.
Your W2 will suffer if you stay at YV waiting for that call from Delta.
#3190
Right, I realize waiting for Delta to call is the first step in becoming a regional lifer. The W2 comment was Netjets vs. legacies, Kalitta's new pay scale is pretty decent. Too bad the monthly guarantee wasn't a little higher, but what can you do? It's still an attractive operation with the new contract, and I'm glad the lifestyle suits you.
Commuting to and from work, do you have any influence on what time you leave or anything? Do you find the commute eats up two days a month, or do you still have some time at home those days?
Commuting to and from work, do you have any influence on what time you leave or anything? Do you find the commute eats up two days a month, or do you still have some time at home those days?
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