aa010175

WOW is all I can say about the letter and response! A can of worms. Dam if you do damed if you don't. Sometimes a fire needs to be started. We at American know and understand that Delta is the top company to work for. We are always sucking tail wind. Have for 32 years and will always in my opinion. Calling out the order of airlines is nothing new and is what it is! We all know the order with Delta on top today!

tinman1

I completely agree with you on that part. Not true at all and he shouldn't have gone there. I was talking about the legacies not hiring Mesa pilots and how every other regional has better everything and even career progression programs. Those are solids truths.

Sumtinwong

I'm sorry but that letter was a true and on point as anything ever published by the union. What he said is basically what is being uttered in the cockpit among us all. We all know we need to leave this place to actually improve our odds at ending up at our career jobs. I'm glad he sent it out, I think he was only speaking the truth, and at the same time venting the frustrations of the MAJORITY of the pilots here.

Also, most of the people that prefer the union continue this consolatory negotiating tactic with management are the pilot who intend on staying here. We simply have to be willing to let the place fail if management cant give us an industry average contract. Management is playing the fiddle to the pilots who are afraid to loose their jobs. No one wants anyone to loose their job due to a business closure but if the company is so poorly managed both financially and through their forecasting of the industry, its not up to the pilots to prop them up and bail them out. Mesa is not too big to fail.

Whether or not you agree with what i'm saying, the economics of the situation support it. If JO does not offer industry average, the majority will vote NO. Its not going to happen. The union needs to stop being manipulated by management in negotiating this contract. We have seen managements emails which do their best to lie and distort the truth about what it's like to work here and how little money they have. If you cant run a profitable business like EVERY OTHER non-wholly owned regional can, then time to do something else.

We can't consciously roll over for the company, even if we are leaving for greener pastures. It is our duty to negotiate a better contract for the people that will follow us in the future.

aa010175

Look at Eagle. They signed a 18 year **** contract thinking it was a move thru job. 9/11 hit and they worked under it for many years.

unity2010

but most are at AA now ..

aa010175

True and some are Capt's now. But they suffered at Egale under that contract they voted in.

wt932051

That email sounds spot on. Nothing wrong with it. Let me add one thing he missed in it. Air Wisconsin just got saved by United and they will have flow through. Mesa who has United Express flying does not. Says a lot. This is a huge reason for such low hiring numbers. If you want a legacy you need flow. Spirit, Atlas, and Allegiant are not Delta, UPS, FedEx, or Southwest. They just are not. They do not have flow and why Mesa pilots are going to those first 3. They are not bad. Just not the best. Those of you who don't like that email or think it was wrong and trying to distance themselves from it are still clueless and afraid. That is reality what he said. I praise him for that email. He has guts. That is what you need. Get rid of the others who don't agree with him.

SilentLurker

(Deep Russian accent) "you spoiled Americans!" Aeroflot is hiring also! You think only your country is so great!? Do not be fooled! Aeroflot is the greatest airline in mother Russia!

121guy

FWIW the letter found its way to the union FB page for Atlas within 24 hours. Reaction was mostly amusement, i.e. -you know you've fallen pretty far when you're getting dissed by Mesa pilots. LOL Other than that I don't think anyone cares. That said it's probably a given he won't be working for any of those airlines ever.

squawkoff

I found the LEC85 email to be spot on. And if Spirit, Atlas, etc. are hurt by our struggles then maybe someone should look twice at going there. It's not unknown that these LCC and cargo/charter carries aren't legacy airlines.

The contract negotiations have been going on far too long. Every month that it is delayed is a win for JO. The only thing that MIGHT make him understand he needs to give a contract that is close to industry average is when he can't staff the flying.

I have heard rumors that Mesa is calling people that have failed out of training here (in some cases numerous times) to come back for another chance. I hope the training department doesn't cave into the staffing issues.