RandyLahey

LoL talk about bottom of the barrel. I'll take staying at a place that's been good to me and wait for the flow.

boeingdvr

Not a K4 pilot. But- after a decade plus @ Messsah airlines, there is zero reasons to stay there. Mesa is the quintessential Stockholm syndrome.

Take a look at K4's pay rates and ask your yourself what check you would like each month. - then add in homebasing, ( no more Jumpseat ) better scheduling flexibility. Etc etc etc

What's interesting when I was there, little to no Mesa pilots ever obtained jobs at Delta, Fedx, UPS etc.... Now on the outside, I see guys and gals getting on with the said carriers left and right.

It's an interesting conversation- but the fact remains, sometimes climbing a few rungs up the latter to the top, is better than sitting at the bottom looking up- and hearing your Jumpseater saying " you know we are hiring, you have your stuff in"

Best of luck

No Land 3

The irony in this post is at "god level".

RandyLahey

I'm sorry, but I've worked too hard to settle for a bottom tier next job. No sense in hoping "bottom" to bottom. I'll stick it out and wait for the inevitable flow, thanks.

20sx

Ha ha, his trolling is at "god level."

No Land 3

Please, tell us all why you feel K4 is a bottom tier job that isn't good enough for you. I just can't help but think you were given bad information.

Brody

LMAO . . .

What flow?

The longer a captain willingly stays at a regional, the stronger the message to the legacy CEO's that, "we're perfectly happy making 85K/year for doing the same job that the dude at the gate next to me is doing for 290K/year."

And you know what? The legacy CEO's have received that message . . . loud and clear. The more domestic (and short range international) flying the regionals get, the less growth for their associated mainline carrier.

Congratulations . . . you've just created a smaller target for the rest of us to aim for.

When Comair went under, every single regional pilot should have gone home. To me, that was the demarcation line. There was no doubt that the legacies were playing us off of each other. Every time someone brings up the 'glass ceiling' that women in certain industries complain about - my response is "look at regional pilots."

Now THAT is a glass ceiling.

And each of us stand here - with large rocks in our hands - but we just can't seem to find the nerve to throw them hard enough to break the glass.

All we do is talk trash. And the legacy CEO's - the ones who actually created the regionals FOR THIS PURPOSE - laugh their way to the bank.

I've read many, many books written about airline history, labor-relations, etc . . . and they talk about 'the massive transfer of wealth' in the 80's (after the 'B' scale was implemented, and the LCC's grew) from the airline employees bank accounts to the passengers' bank accounts.

This time, it's different. It's going from the regionals' employees to the executive-level managers and the shareholders. They have turned us into their own private ATM.

Can't necessarily blame them. We are doing this to ourselves . . .

MKUltra

Unfortunately until leader ship that is inter company that can unite all of through out the industry nothing will happen. ALPA does work hard and I thank our individual volunteers at my company but they may make small improvements at pout company, they can't make industry improvements. Its time to do away with the minor leagues. If 50 percent of its united... called out, quite, Loa, fmla the same time, we would get some attention. Time for the RLA to die, time for a pilots to be the same!

Anarchy rant done.. Time to be a sheep again.

No Land 3

ALPA allows each pilot group to do its own thing. Teamsters dictate what each pilot group does, this is why you see much more unity with the Teamster carriers in the ACMI world. ALPA does nothing for uniting different pilot groups.

RandyLahey

well, lets start at the new hire pay, a whopping $600 a week is a little on the low side I'd day. However once you hit the line in that heavy metal at least you're making substantially less than every other cargo 767/747 operator, if I'm not mistaken I believe the Fo scale tops out at second year rates for other cargo carriers. That's still decent money but I feel like you're just selling yourself short. And I won't even get into the retirement funds and contributions, or lack there of. I owe it to myself to try to make it to a top tier place which will eventually happen once we get a flow going.