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TXNFlyer210 07-18-2019 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by TFlood (Post 2855243)
Questions for the group. I am USAF with less than 2 years until 20. I will be 45 when I retire. I have flown tactical FW my entire career. I am not excited about the airlines (my dad was a airline guy and I grew up with it). I want to eventually move back to Northern California (Sacramento specifically) for family. I am happy to go to Lorado for a year or two to do my time with the goal of eventually transferring to McClellan in Sacramento.

1) is this reasonable to achieve?
2) what do they fly out of McClellan (KMCC)?
3) would they let me work 4 on 3 off at Lorado to leave my family in place in southern TX?

Any other info about hurdles I might face would be appreciated. Thanks!

1) I would say unlikely. I would be skeptical of the future of the SAC.
2) They 1 have FW when itís not TDY to STX and 1 helo. Essentially they only have 1 helo. Guys in SAC are TDY to the STX at least 1 once a month to cover the FW flights.
3) No to your would be request to 4 on 3 off. AIAs have been trying to get that for a while and have told itís against OPM regulations.

If you were to go Laredo or Mcallen then you are only going to fly a 206. If Laredo still has the 206 that I remember, then it has no equipment on it to do the Mission.... so itís a waste of time. Flying a 206 summer time in STX gets old quick.

If you donít want to fly for the airlines, I would say you have a ton better options that working for this agency

USMCFLYR 07-18-2019 03:10 PM

TFlood -

PM sent.

cpagdog 07-18-2019 07:28 PM

Can anyone here provide some insight on flying out of McAllen? I noticed they have the 206 and no uas...so pretty much the only base I would want now that they aren't doing new hires for puerto Rico.

Thanks

el_duderino 07-19-2019 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by cpagdog (Post 2855469)
Can anyone here provide some insight on flying out of McAllen? I noticed they have the 206 and no uas...so pretty much the only base I would want now that they aren't doing new hires for puerto Rico.

Thanks

They arent hiring for PR?? I just got this email from recruiter a few days ago:
"The announcement at this time has the following locations Aguadilla, PR, Grand Forks ND, Laredo, McAllen and San Angelo, TX and Sierra Vista, AZ"

emersonbiguns 07-19-2019 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by TFlood (Post 2855243)
Questions for the group. I am USAF with less than 2 years until 20. I will be 45 when I retire. I have flown tactical FW my entire career. I am not excited about the airlines (my dad was a airline guy and I grew up with it). I want to eventually move back to Northern California (Sacramento specifically) for family. I am happy to go to Lorado for a year or two to do my time with the goal of eventually transferring to McClellan in Sacramento.

1) is this reasonable to achieve?
2) what do they fly out of McClellan (KMCC)?
3) would they let me work 4 on 3 off at Lorado to leave my family in place in southern TX?

Any other info about hurdles I might face would be appreciated. Thanks!

AMO is not a people organization. It is run by a former AIO who despises pilots and exercises every opportunity to be vindictive.

AMO will not work with you to achieve your personal life/family goals.

Federal pay rules that govern the position absolutely will not allow four tens to be worked. You will work five, eight-ten hour shifts between Sunday and Saturday.

Sounds like you need to move your family home and work in the sandbox 50/50 for $200k.

I find it difficult to understand why people reading these forums about AMO don’t get the fact that the place is not about mission effectiveness/job satisfaction/efficiency/retention, etc.....

AMO is the place to go if you want job security and a pension. NOT if you want to fly what you want, work the schedule you want, where you want with competent supervisors and leadership that realizes that the mission requires a unique type of employee.

Think about what type of organization that guarantees the retirement that AMO does and is losing mid and late career employees at the rate they are. Do you really want twenty years of that?

navigatro 07-20-2019 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by TFlood (Post 2855243)
Questions for the group. I am USAF with less than 2 years until 20. I will be 45 when I retire. I have flown tactical FW my entire career. I am not excited about the airlines (my dad was a airline guy and I grew up with it). I want to eventually move back to Northern California (Sacramento specifically) for family. I am happy to go to Lorado for a year or two to do my time with the goal of eventually transferring to McClellan in Sacramento.

1) is this reasonable to achieve?
2) what do they fly out of McClellan (KMCC)?
3) would they let me work 4 on 3 off at Lorado to leave my family in place in southern TX?

Any other info about hurdles I might face would be appreciated. Thanks!

your should really reconsider the airlines:

you could easily work 4 on 3 off (more likely 4 on 4 off or even 3 on 4 off)

if you are willing to commute to this crappy job, a commute to the airlines where you can jumpseat will be no problem. (or a drive to SFO/OAK)

you can have none of the administrative BS and make at least double the money in a few years (or less)

if you really really want a badge and a gun then become an FFDO

good luck whatever you decide.

cpagdog 07-20-2019 12:51 PM

While I agree with a lot of the points being made my Emerson, there is the other side to consider...

I have been with DHS for 10 years. We are treated the exact same as you describe, Job First family second. There is 0 consideration for quality of life. I have worked 500+ hours of overtime a year for the last 6 years and not by choice. We are also losing people to the private sector that have put in 10-15 years.

That being said, where I work now there is NO option to fly anything. I also don't even have a choice on where I want to live. Washington DC is the ONLY choice.

And where else can I go and make 6 figures, have job security and a pension, and fly something like a Cessna 206 or drone around?

I spoke with a drone pilot, he says he works 8 hour days and goes home with a little overtime here and there.

I'm not trying to say AMO is the best thing on Earth but for those of us who aren't flying that would like to stay federal and fly, it might be a good option.

So that all being said, is there anyone hear who flies f/w for AMO? I would love to hear what your average work week is like.

Thanks again for all the input you all have provided already.

cpagdog 07-20-2019 12:58 PM

And as far as the airlines comments I keep seeing....I make 6 figures a year now and have 1600 hours of flight time. If I were to go to a regional or somehow a main line, I would not see that kind of money for years! No FO makes that and the captains I know at United flying airbuses don't make that for a few years either. Just food for thought

navigatro 07-20-2019 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by cpagdog (Post 2856290)
And as far as the airlines comments I keep seeing....I make 6 figures a year now and have 1600 hours of flight time. If I were to go to a regional or somehow a main line, I would not see that kind of money for years! No FO makes that and the captains I know at United flying airbuses don't make that for a few years either. Just food for thought

You are kidding right?

2nd year at UPS is almost $200k as an f/o.

All the majors pay over 100k 2nd year, some a lot more.

Major captains make $240-$350k plus

BAJ135 07-20-2019 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 2856304)
You are kidding right?

2nd year at UPS is almost $200k as an f/o.

All the majors pay over 100k 2nd year, some a lot more.

Major captains make $240-$350k plus

Heís either kidding or heís delusional. He also left out that he didnít make 6 figures at AMO year one as a GS11 even with LEAP.


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