"Chief Pilot" Designation
05-06-2019, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy
At the 2016 Veterans Hiring Fair for UAL - The Director of Pilot Recruitment at the time (Bill Kennedy) stated that certain military position were worth of clicking the box for CP, Director of Ops, Director of Safety etc. He clearly stated that Squadron CO was equivalent level of responsibility in his eyes albeit different specific duties than a CP. Director of Ops/OpsO and Safety O etc...ok to click those boxes if you held them in the mil. I do not know what the others airlines have said.
Any mil CO/DO is not going to need to check those boxes to get an interview today anyway.
05-06-2019, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy
At the 2016 Veterans Hiring Fair for UAL - The Director of Pilot Recruitment at the time (Bill Kennedy) stated that certain military position were worth of clicking the box for CP, Director of Ops, Director of Safety etc.
05-07-2019, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
I don't know who BK is or what airline he works for, but the FAA doesn't consider 119 jobs to have military equivalents.
05-07-2019, 07:11 AM
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In my experience...
There was no Chief Pilot designation or position on Active Duty (airlift world). However, in the Air Force Reserve, there was. It was an official position, and was recognized as such on your Duty History and OER. The CP duties included Hiring, liaison to airline CPs, advocating for the pilot group, low level discipline, and morale. If I were a Reservist, and had the title on my OER, I would feel comfortable checking the box.
There was no Chief Pilot designation or position on Active Duty (airlift world). However, in the Air Force Reserve, there was. It was an official position, and was recognized as such on your Duty History and OER. The CP duties included Hiring, liaison to airline CPs, advocating for the pilot group, low level discipline, and morale. If I were a Reservist, and had the title on my OER, I would feel comfortable checking the box.
05-07-2019, 02:58 PM
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One more time.
Unless you have something in writing from a potential employer no one gives a rats %^*+ what you called a position in the military. Chief Pilot and Director of Operations are FAR 119 designated positions and last time I checked the military does not fall under FAR 119. Heck, you can put Captain America in your OER for all I care, that doesn’t make you Captain America in the real world.
I’ve been a commander with UCMJ authority in charge of 150 people and 13 airframes. I wasn’t a CP then. I was a commander. I was a CP/DO when the FAA designated me as a CP/DO under FAR 119.
So unless there is something in writing from the people you are interviewing with leave it off.
Unless you have something in writing from a potential employer no one gives a rats %^*+ what you called a position in the military. Chief Pilot and Director of Operations are FAR 119 designated positions and last time I checked the military does not fall under FAR 119. Heck, you can put Captain America in your OER for all I care, that doesn’t make you Captain America in the real world.
I’ve been a commander with UCMJ authority in charge of 150 people and 13 airframes. I wasn’t a CP then. I was a commander. I was a CP/DO when the FAA designated me as a CP/DO under FAR 119.
So unless there is something in writing from the people you are interviewing with leave it off.
05-07-2019, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by decrabbitz
In my experience...
There was no Chief Pilot designation or position on Active Duty (airlift world). However, in the Air Force Reserve, there was. It was an official position, and was recognized as such on your Duty History and OER. The CP duties included Hiring, liaison to airline CPs, advocating for the pilot group, low level discipline, and morale. If I were a Reservist, and had the title on my OER, I would feel comfortable checking the box.
There was no Chief Pilot designation or position on Active Duty (airlift world). However, in the Air Force Reserve, there was. It was an official position, and was recognized as such on your Duty History and OER. The CP duties included Hiring, liaison to airline CPs, advocating for the pilot group, low level discipline, and morale. If I were a Reservist, and had the title on my OER, I would feel comfortable checking the box.
05-07-2019, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DARR31
You sir are correct! After getting hired at the airline, I later became a chief pilot in a reserve sq. Duties are about the same as at the airline. I think the Guard might have Chief pilots too, but not sure,
Or in a Military or Guard regulation, where is that position listed? I’m familiar with a commander, and XO, an operations officer, but a chief pilot?? What kind of UCMJ authority does a chief pilot have? Sounds like something Guard/Reserve people made up to help out fellow Guard/Reserve buddies getting hired at legacy carriers.
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05-07-2019, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by decrabbitz
In my experience...
There was no Chief Pilot designation or position on Active Duty (airlift world). However, in the Air Force Reserve, there was. It was an official position, and was recognized as such on your Duty History and OER. The CP duties included Hiring, liaison to airline CPs, advocating for the pilot group, low level discipline, and morale. If I were a Reservist, and had the title on my OER, I would feel comfortable checking the box.
There was no Chief Pilot designation or position on Active Duty (airlift world). However, in the Air Force Reserve, there was. It was an official position, and was recognized as such on your Duty History and OER. The CP duties included Hiring, liaison to airline CPs, advocating for the pilot group, low level discipline, and morale. If I were a Reservist, and had the title on my OER, I would feel comfortable checking the box.
What kind of UCMJ authority was held by a “chief pilot” in the Guard/Reserve? Did they have operational control over flights like a CP under 119? As I wrote above, sounds like a made up position so Guard/Reserve buddies could check that block on applications. Not very honest if you ask me.
05-07-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Where is that listed in FAR 119?
Or in a Military or Guard regulation, where is that position listed? I’m familiar with a commander, and XO, an operations officer, but a chief pilot?? What kind of UCMJ authority does a chief pilot have? Sounds like something Guard/Reserve people made up to help out fellow Guard/Reserve buddies getting hired at legacy carriers.
Or in a Military or Guard regulation, where is that position listed? I’m familiar with a commander, and XO, an operations officer, but a chief pilot?? What kind of UCMJ authority does a chief pilot have? Sounds like something Guard/Reserve people made up to help out fellow Guard/Reserve buddies getting hired at legacy carriers.
Same for CP of a 61 flight school or 91 flight Dept.
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