CRAF.
08-10-2020 | 02:47 PM
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CRAF.
I hope with all the COVID furlough threat inspired early retirements/displacements of senior personnel and revisions of aircraft fleets that SOMEONE is keeping track of the CRAF airframes and the personnel needed to fly them.
I’m sure that’s SOMEBODY’s job, but...
I’m sure that’s SOMEBODY’s job, but...
08-10-2020 | 03:40 PM
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08-10-2020 | 05:52 PM
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Great point. I'm sure this is being checked. TRANSCOM's only job is moving stuff. Watched a few briefs a few years back and they were very detailed on the fleet...air and sea...but there is always a chance unfortunately.
08-10-2020 | 09:31 PM
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Yes TRANSCOM does this, they have regular meetings with the CRAF airlines. Probably more regular right now.
If it becomes an issue, DoD can pay them to keep the crews available (or just make it a condition of CARES 2.0)
If it becomes an issue, DoD can pay them to keep the crews available (or just make it a condition of CARES 2.0)
08-11-2020 | 06:57 AM
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Yes, I understand. I phrased it poorly. Back in 2000's, when we had airlines Ch.11 and furloughs from all majors, yet had Iraq and Afghanistan, did CRAF ever go "unsupported."
If not, why would CRAF suffer today.
in any event, the CRAF members contractually have agreed to "be capable of support" under the CRAF terms, so it is on the airlines to produce a plane and a crew for CRAF missions anyway.
Not arguing but trying to see this from all angles. The more we understand how "they" think (management, Congress, etc) the better prepared we will be to swallow that sh** sandwich that may be coming in a few months (or not).
Appreciate the dialogue so far...
If not, why would CRAF suffer today.
in any event, the CRAF members contractually have agreed to "be capable of support" under the CRAF terms, so it is on the airlines to produce a plane and a crew for CRAF missions anyway.
Not arguing but trying to see this from all angles. The more we understand how "they" think (management, Congress, etc) the better prepared we will be to swallow that sh** sandwich that may be coming in a few months (or not).
Appreciate the dialogue so far...
08-11-2020 | 07:34 AM
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Yes, I understand. I phrased it poorly. Back in 2000's, when we had airlines Ch.11 and furloughs from all majors, yet had Iraq and Afghanistan, did CRAF ever go "unsupported."
If not, why would CRAF suffer today.
in any event, the CRAF members contractually have agreed to "be capable of support" under the CRAF terms, so it is on the airlines to produce a plane and a crew for CRAF missions anyway.
Not arguing but trying to see this from all angles. The more we understand how "they" think (management, Congress, etc) the better prepared we will be to swallow that sh** sandwich that may be coming in a few months (or not).
Appreciate the dialogue so far...
If not, why would CRAF suffer today.
in any event, the CRAF members contractually have agreed to "be capable of support" under the CRAF terms, so it is on the airlines to produce a plane and a crew for CRAF missions anyway.
Not arguing but trying to see this from all angles. The more we understand how "they" think (management, Congress, etc) the better prepared we will be to swallow that sh** sandwich that may be coming in a few months (or not).
Appreciate the dialogue so far...
08-11-2020 | 07:42 AM
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The DoD broadly considers and accounts for all aspects of national infrastructure which would support or impact military operations. They have mechanisms (some of which are legal and vested in the executive branch) to assure the viability of national military infrastructure, including logistics, manufacturing, and raw materials. They are watching and have means to intervene. If the required intervention exceeds their legal/fiscal authority, they will let congress know and presumably THEY will provide the necessary level of intervention.
In my experience, hangar queens deteriorate even faster than mothballed ships.
08-11-2020 | 07:56 AM
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MSC probably had issues because of the general distraction away from amphibious operations since 9/11. They are now correcting that with the Pacific pivot (for obvious reasons).
The CRAF fleet is not normally in mothballs.
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