USAF tackles pilot shortage:
#51
I fly with 121 pilots who are still in their post-discharge IRR service obligation who say "they'll never recall me, I'm 30 pounds overweight and pre-diabetic". I keep reminding young'uns that if you still have an MSO, even if it's in the IRR, you will be recalled in the event of a war regardless of your weight. The meme of CPT Front-Butt and that morbidly obese Marine Captain are real life dudes who were recalled from the IRR during OIF/OEF. Your expanding waist will not save you from the suck, so never say never.
FWIW, if they ever do invade, it'll be over so fast I doubt we'll ever get to stop loss or retiree recalls. Putin has everything east of the Dnieper surrounded on three sides, and this terrain is Rommel's wet dream for an armored invasion because it's completely flat and frozen this time of year.
FWIW, if they ever do invade, it'll be over so fast I doubt we'll ever get to stop loss or retiree recalls. Putin has everything east of the Dnieper surrounded on three sides, and this terrain is Rommel's wet dream for an armored invasion because it's completely flat and frozen this time of year.
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^^^^ This. Exactly this.
I guess it needs to be said - if the fireworks over Kiev spread to a NATO country or if anything happens that leads to a Cold War style great power rivalry on European soil again, expect that the WARNORD's will not spare you even if you're recently retired. Retirement orders usually state that you are subject to recall and mobilization even AFTER retirement (from AD or the SELRES); remember, retiring is NOT the same as resigning your commission. If you retire, your commission is still in effect and you absolutely can be recalled and sent to whatever circle jerk we're in. This even happened to some retirees during OIF/OEF though it wasn't common. Either way, if you're under 65 and either retired, planning to retire soon or AD/SELRES, you are fair game if the **** really starts to go off over there. In a real conflict, the canary in the coal mine is definitely to what extent they stop loss discharges/retirees and recall the IRR. That being said, it's unlikely it'll get to the point imo.
I guess it needs to be said - if the fireworks over Kiev spread to a NATO country or if anything happens that leads to a Cold War style great power rivalry on European soil again, expect that the WARNORD's will not spare you even if you're recently retired. Retirement orders usually state that you are subject to recall and mobilization even AFTER retirement (from AD or the SELRES); remember, retiring is NOT the same as resigning your commission. If you retire, your commission is still in effect and you absolutely can be recalled and sent to whatever circle jerk we're in. This even happened to some retirees during OIF/OEF though it wasn't common. Either way, if you're under 65 and either retired, planning to retire soon or AD/SELRES, you are fair game if the **** really starts to go off over there. In a real conflict, the canary in the coal mine is definitely to what extent they stop loss discharges/retirees and recall the IRR. That being said, it's unlikely it'll get to the point imo.
#53
Those obese soldier/marine memes are real people. They don't care. If it gets to the point where they're this desperate like they were for some positions during OIF/OEF, they'll recall you even if you're morbidly obese and can't pass a PT test, and trust me, it will suck either way. I've seen it.
#54
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Prior active duty and long time Reservist here. Currently sitting as a SQ/CC.
One problem I’m having is my manning document, specifically that I’m limited in size. I only have so many slots I can hire to and pit overages against. I would hire more, but I only have so many flight hours and simulator periods to allocate. If they plus up my manning document, I can hire more folks from active duty. We are turning away some high quality pilots because insimolybdont have the room. Im
at 125% manned as it is.
I just pushed the retirement button. I just saw the headline that POTUS is considering sending 50,000 troops. Looked like there’s a a chance I will be stop-lossed. What a fitting end to a 26 year career..
One problem I’m having is my manning document, specifically that I’m limited in size. I only have so many slots I can hire to and pit overages against. I would hire more, but I only have so many flight hours and simulator periods to allocate. If they plus up my manning document, I can hire more folks from active duty. We are turning away some high quality pilots because insimolybdont have the room. Im
at 125% manned as it is.
I just pushed the retirement button. I just saw the headline that POTUS is considering sending 50,000 troops. Looked like there’s a a chance I will be stop-lossed. What a fitting end to a 26 year career..
For anyone out there reading this thread, don't think the USAF has 2000 cockpits sitting empty. It's staff wiener positions that are sitting empty, not jets. Get rid of half the GO's, and their bloated staffs and you can cut 75% of that pilot shortage. Stop cutting flight hours and let dudes actually stay in the jet and the problem is solved. Want to put on O-6, then play the game. Want to stay in the jet and fly your whole career, terminal O-3/4 at 20. Better yet let the AD guys follow a ANG/AFR construct and never PCS and have stable family lives.
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FWIW, if they ever do invade, it'll be over so fast I doubt we'll ever get to stop loss or retiree recalls. Putin has everything east of the Dnieper surrounded on three sides, and this terrain is Rommel's wet dream for an armored invasion because it's completely flat and frozen this time of year.
Question is do we go in and dig him out? That's a pretty far bridge.
But at the very likely we'd at build up forces in and around Western Europe to look tough... sounds like ideal utilization for over-the-hill IRR and retirees.
#56
Yes. No real question about preventing an invasion unless we first build up forces in UK.
Question is do we go in and dig him out? That's a pretty far bridge.
But at the very likely we'd at build up forces in and around Western Europe to look tough... sounds like ideal utilization for over-the-hill IRR and retirees.
Question is do we go in and dig him out? That's a pretty far bridge.
But at the very likely we'd at build up forces in and around Western Europe to look tough... sounds like ideal utilization for over-the-hill IRR and retirees.
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Yes. No real question about preventing an invasion unless we first build up forces in UK.
Question is do we go in and dig him out? That's a pretty far bridge.
But at the very likely we'd at build up forces in and around Western Europe to look tough... sounds like ideal utilization for over-the-hill IRR and retirees.
Question is do we go in and dig him out? That's a pretty far bridge.
But at the very likely we'd at build up forces in and around Western Europe to look tough... sounds like ideal utilization for over-the-hill IRR and retirees.
#58
Yes. No real question about preventing an invasion unless we first build up forces in UK.
Question is do we go in and dig him out? That's a pretty far bridge.
But at the very likely we'd at build up forces in and around Western Europe to look tough... sounds like ideal utilization for over-the-hill IRR and retirees.
Question is do we go in and dig him out? That's a pretty far bridge.
But at the very likely we'd at build up forces in and around Western Europe to look tough... sounds like ideal utilization for over-the-hill IRR and retirees.
#59
It has occasionally crossed my mind if I could be called back. Due to injuries sustained in the line of duty I lost my flight status and was sent home. Hold a 90% rating (nothing that the FAA is worried about before anyone starts). I can still shoot a gun, carry a ruck and make a helicopter dance on the head of a pin (and am current). Think there is ever a snowballs chance in hell they would call me back short of armed militia guarding what is left of the country?
#60
It has occasionally crossed my mind if I could be called back. Due to injuries sustained in the line of duty I lost my flight status and was sent home. Hold a 90% rating (nothing that the FAA is worried about before anyone starts). I can still shoot a gun, carry a ruck and make a helicopter dance on the head of a pin (and am current). Think there is ever a snowballs chance in hell they would call me back short of armed militia guarding what is left of the country?
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