Claiming UPT time
09-18-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gasnhaul
OK, pulled the records and the time is correct...but here we go:
188.7 hours total in the T-1
112.5 of which are hours rec'd
76.2 listed as other time
94.8 hours total in the Tweet
85.4 of which are hours dual
9.4 listed as solo
So, this begs some questions. Is there such a thing as student other time? Can/should you include this time or no? I'm kinda of the mind that student other time is still student time and can be included as total time and/or total turbine.
Anyway, the total of 188.7 and 94.8 does indeed total 283.5...
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188.7 hours total in the T-1
112.5 of which are hours rec'd
76.2 listed as other time
94.8 hours total in the Tweet
85.4 of which are hours dual
9.4 listed as solo
So, this begs some questions. Is there such a thing as student other time? Can/should you include this time or no? I'm kinda of the mind that student other time is still student time and can be included as total time and/or total turbine.
Anyway, the total of 188.7 and 94.8 does indeed total 283.5...
GNH
My numbers from the pre-SUPT timeframe were 154 student and 20 PIC (T37 and T38 solo time)
09-18-2007, 04:53 PM
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Actually I really don't think I need the additional hours since they don't really amount to much anyway. I'm sure my PIC hours are what they are going to be looking at most anyway. I guess it's just a little frustrating when it seems some of the newer systems (*cough* UPS *cough*) let a computer do all of the scoring for the first 3 steps or whatever before a human even attempts to look at a resume.
I'm a crossflow guy and was being prepped for command. Most of the times when I went downrange I was being used as an ADO/DO or Stan-evil, which means I spent a lot more time behind the desk than my contemporaries...and now I'm only able to fly once a week if I'm lucky due to my current job. Does it kill me...no, but honestly 90 hours at this point will probably equate to six months of flying.
Oh well, hopefully I can get someone to hire me and I still have a year to worry about it, so I'm not too concerned....yet.
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And thanks for all the help guys!
I'm a crossflow guy and was being prepped for command. Most of the times when I went downrange I was being used as an ADO/DO or Stan-evil, which means I spent a lot more time behind the desk than my contemporaries...and now I'm only able to fly once a week if I'm lucky due to my current job. Does it kill me...no, but honestly 90 hours at this point will probably equate to six months of flying.
Oh well, hopefully I can get someone to hire me and I still have a year to worry about it, so I'm not too concerned....yet.
GNH
And thanks for all the help guys!
09-18-2007, 05:04 PM
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Was told at interview by mil guy that while technically it was pic time - be realistic - you were a student who didn't even have wings. Of course now that almost all going to UPT have a ppl if might make it a bit different. I just tossed it into my total time and didn't have a logbook for mil tie at either interview. Total time spent by prospective company (x2) looking at my flying history report, about 5 seconds. They were more interested in the TMAAT and the most rewarding/coolest missions I felt I had accomplished
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09-18-2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by blastoff
T-6 Solo time and the T-1 Team sortie were the only PIC hours I claimed for UPT. T-1 student time I claimed as SIC since in the military and civilian world it requires a 2-person crew...and Part 61 says that a person not type-rated may act as SIC in an aircraft if the time is being used to meet the requirement for a type rating and no passengers or cargo are being carried for hire. Plus, there can't "not" be a SIC. I don't see how you can get 280 hours in UPT though...DO NOT COUNT the "Other" time. I came back with 95 hours in the T-6 and 122 in the T-1. My ARMS record says I have 277 hours of UPT time because it included OTHER time...Airlines don't want to know about your jumpseat time in the T-1.
09-18-2007, 11:47 PM
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I personally counted all of the T-6 time as PIC because I had commercial single engine rating and had a high performance sign off before UPT. When it comes down to it, the T-6 would be no different than a C208 and I have hundreds of hours in that. As for the T-1, I counted all of it as SIC (that is, the hours i was actually in the seat)...
09-19-2007, 06:41 AM
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I guess it kinda also depends on what they ask for as proof of hours. lifter brings it up like I was planning on going. On my form 5 which lists all the hours by catagory, it just lumps all of the student time together...there is no separation or other time listed. So, it would simply be included in the total time, but not as PIC or SIC. Again, hopefully all of this is water under the bridge but guess we'll see. Kinda weird tho...I ended up with a type in the BE-400, MU-300 because of my T-1 flying.
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09-19-2007, 10:10 AM
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IT ALL DEPENDS!!! Depends on the airline you are applying with... they all have different guidance. Bottom line... be conservative... I know of a few guys who were not hired at AMR and UAL due to "issues" with PIC time... stretching the truth with UPT and IP time.
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09-19-2007, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Slice
Were you ME rated going into UPT? The typical UPT stud has only a SE PPL. So, you wouldn't hold the proper rating if that was the case since everyone I know added them on after pinning on their wings. Something to think about.
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