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Old 12-16-2007, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by p3pilot View Post
Now a days the P-3 community does fly much. More paperwork then flying. Also with the CWO program that takes more JOs out of the cockpit. AF is the way to go if you like flight time.
CWO's are taking JO's out of the cockpit? So these guys are flying? What for....
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Old 12-16-2007, 08:30 AM
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Heavy squadron - surf the internet from 0830-0930. Do your actual office job from 0930-1130. Make announcement on PA system where the lunch push is going to, maybe Hooter's, maybe the mall food court, maybe TGIFs. CiCi's Pizza is always a favorite. 1145-1330 lunch. 1330-1400, walk around with a piece of paper in your hand and a determined look on your face. 1400-1530, go to the gym. 1530-1545, check the board to see if you're flying the next day. You are? Cool. 1545, go home. Don't forget to grab the extra flight cap and extra set of car keys you left on your desk when you went to the gym, you'll need them the next day and you don't want anyone seeing them after 1700, as it'll give the trick away.
This made me laugh and used to be true. It may still be true for brand new copilots or ACs, however the reality my last few years in was much different. I was working 50-60 hours a week and coming in later and going home earlier than most people around me. This was for my desk job and I was lucky to get 10 flight hours a month and I was an instructor begging to fly. The squadron just did not have enough people and the CC determined manning the desk was more important than the cockpit.
Big picture for heavies- at home you will fly a desk and never fly - especially the more you move up in rank and responsibility, but every four months you get to deploy and do nothing but fly and live in a tent.
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Old 12-16-2007, 08:34 AM
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Don't forget to grab the extra flight cap and extra set of car keys you left on your desk when you went to the gym, you'll need them the next day and you don't want anyone seeing them after 1700, as it'll give the trick away.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fighter squadron - scramble to the be the first guy to show up in the morning (around 0630 or so) so you can be the one to open the vault in the morning. All other squadron mates can fret how you're getting a leg up on them and try to figure out how to counter your devious moves.

Heavy squadron - Just try to beat your flight cc or DO to work. Show up sometime around 0830 and hope someone got there before you to start the coffee maker. Sit around and fret about where you're going to eat lunch.

Fighter squadron - Make work to do from 0630 to 1300. Eat a candy bar at your desk while reading the 3-1. Work, work, work from 1300-1700. Get your brief together for the next day's flight, prep your boards and beg your IP for words of wisdom from 1700-1900. Sit around and wait for everyone else to leave so you're not the first guy out the door. Don't want anyone to think you don't work hard or want it bad enough.



Heavy squadron - surf the internet from 0830-0930. Do your actual office job from 0930-1130. Make announcement on PA system where the lunch push is going to, maybe Hooter's, maybe the mall food court, maybe TGIFs. CiCi's Pizza is always a favorite. 1145-1330 lunch. 1330-1400, walk around with a piece of paper in your hand and a determined look on your face. 1400-1530, go to the gym. 1530-1545, check the board to see if you're flying the next day. You are? Cool. 1545, go home. Don't forget to grab the extra flight cap and extra set of car keys you left on your desk when you went to the gym, you'll need them the next day and you don't want anyone seeing them after 1700, as it'll give the trick away.

Just a note. Bombers definately follow the heavy theory. This is right on the money.
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Old 12-16-2007, 06:41 PM
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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I can't believe heavy pilots in the US Air Force lack basic officership and work ethic. It's heinous. I'm proud to be an Air Force FIGHTER PILOT.
 
Old 12-16-2007, 07:01 PM
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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I can't believe heavy pilots in the US Air Force lack basic officership and work ethic. It's heinous. I'm proud to be an Air Force FIGHTER PILOT.
I think you just made their point.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:08 PM
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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I can't believe heavy pilots in the US Air Force lack basic officership and work ethic. It's heinous. I'm proud to be an Air Force FIGHTER PILOT.
I think you're just mad b/c the Virginia Air Guard has decided to return to active duty again and join the psycho ex-Eagle drivers at Langley. Too many early mornings and late workdays has scrambled your already too-small brain. Now, go to bed. You've got to get up early to get your name on that vault opening sheet thingie. And speaking of officership, I probably execute more of the principles of warfare in a day (convincing people I'm working) than you do in a year. I ought to be in Checkmate or something - but that sounds like too much work.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MAGNUM!! View Post
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I can't believe heavy pilots in the US Air Force lack basic officership and work ethic. It's heinous. I'm proud to be an Air Force FIGHTER PILOT.
Just remember:

The guys that work the hardest move up the fastest, and:

Total Work=Actual Work + Perceived Work

It's much easier to alter the second half of that equation. Successful officers figure this out early. The other's just bust their butts for a few years, watch their contemporaries get the good orders and promote early. Disillusioned and fed up with the system, then they get out and fly for the airlines, where success is based on just staying alive.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MAGNUM!! View Post
I can't believe heavy pilots in the US Air Force lack basic officership and work ethic. It's heinous. I'm proud to be an Air Force FIGHTER PILOT.
Wow, Magnum just made a great point. TurbineTime, do you really want to work with people like this during your "day in the office" in the AF???
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Old 12-16-2007, 08:37 PM
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The extra cover and keys trick. Nice. The scheduler in my first squaron would show up at 0730, make sure he was seen, and depart til after lunch. Then do his work from 1300 to well after the CO left, making sure he was seen by the commander as he left.

Another good trick is walking around with a Blue folder with a privacy act sticker on it. Its a great place to keep a crossword, usa today, or other diversion.

Deuce130 depiction of squadron life is extremely accurate.
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