I thought it was mentioned in a previous thread awhile back, but what does military "other time" count for? Im assuming for airline purposes, its pointless correct? I keep a record of all my 781s and only have been using primary and secondary time for TT. Anyhow, any info is appreciated! Thanks.

 

If I was sitting at a set of controls, I counted it as part of my total. BUT, it didn't get included in the SIC or PIC columns.

Kind of the same way I treated student time, both civil, and military.

Check your HARMS Office flight records--your other time is in there under "total," but if you add up your individual amounts, you'll find you are short your student time and XP time.

 

Counted it in my total time, took 90% of it in my MP column and counted it as PIC time for those nice 24 hour days with the A code, took the entire amount of SIC other and threw it out. Neither interview seemed to have a problem with how I did the math. As far as keeping 781s or a log book, did neither just walked in with my USAF flying history report. Good Luck

 

The airlines actually prefer your A-FORMS because logbook inflation (from civilian backgrounds) is a major worry at civilian companies. There is no practical way to know if a guy really did log 1500 hours in various light aircraft. He can write whatever he wants in a logbook.

Once a civilian starts flying at a company, they view that record as having oversight, and more accountable.

Since the military has validated your flight time, they view it as fact. There are usually multiplication factors as well: in the civilian world, flight time is counted from engine-start to engine-shutdown. USAF: liftoff to touchdown, with the option to add 5 minutes for taxi; been a long time since I flew with the Navy, but I think it's about the same.

So, the airlines view your military flight time as under-reported.

 

Did the same thing, kept the other from my MP, dropped it all from my time as a CP and brought in my FH from my HARM office. Worked well!

 

Ditto that. SIC other time is worthless but in regards to PIC....even though you were not in the seat you were still responsible. For both the airlines I have worked at, I just filled out what they sent me in the application as mentioned above and then brought in the first two pages of my flight summary...signed. No questions asked at either airline. I do not keep a logbook for mil times because it got be a real pain reconciling a .2 here and a .4 there.

 

It's not a courtesy to drop 'other' time as a (F/M)C, you are SUPPOSED to not count it, you were riding passenger for civilian purposes. As to 'other' time as an MP, I guess it's no sweat if you were an IP, but if you just were an non-IP A/C out of the seats then THAT would be a courtesy, to allow you as a non-IP (regardless if you signed for the jet or not) to log that time as flying. I think... lol. It's probably not a big deal really, but if that 'other' time as an MP (non-IP) is what makes you squeak by the min PIC required then hmmmm....

 

I would say even as an MP I am using the time. I see your point, but at the same time I don't feel a slight bit guilty about it. My typical mission as a new AC (MP) was to fly from the west coast to the east, then on the NATS to my favorite place in Germany, then on to other places. I was always in the seat for take off and landing. So, I may have stolen a nap or two over the middle of the CONUS or NATS, but for the most part I was in the seat. I guess it is up to how you feel about it.

Also, I do agree about the mins, I would be worried if I were using my other time to squeek by. But luckily for me that is not the case.

 

I took 95% of all my time since upgrading to AC and counted it as PIC. Figured that would account for the odd flight or two that I wasn't A coded for some reason.

Also counted 95% of other time after upgrade as PIC time as well. Most of it at that point was letting guest help fly 1/2 a sortie while I bunked over in the desert. Other time prior to A-code is pretty worthless and I thought it would be hard to explain why I was including it.

I just made sure that however I divided it, it all added up to what the totals on the flying history summary sheet said.

Plus make sure you know how they want to see it where you are applying. At jetBlue they tell you to include a 1.3 multiplier for all your mil time that you present to them. Don't forget to do this with the times on your resume as well as your logbook.

Good luck!

 

heres some good news about other time for people who trained in the T-1:

All that time you sat in the jumpseat in the T-1 (80 to 100 hours) was logged in UPT as "Student" time. So you make back some of the hours you lost on Other time in your next airframe. believe me i know, some 40% of my flight time is "Other" and its a killer because I didnt pay enough attention to 781's in the beginning and people took time away from me like you couldnt believe. Keep that in mind when you guys are AC's and IP's and hook your copilots up please!