New AF aircraft in T-38 drop?
04-08-2008, 04:56 PM
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New AF aircraft in T-38 drop?
I heard about an aircraft that was assigned to a student at assignment night at a SUPT base recently. Said student was in the T-38 and was awarded a turboprop aircraft that the storyteller thought was called a U-28.
Can anyone shed some light on this? Some searching yields a Pilatus variant. Does anyone know why this is in the 38 track? How is the aircraft employed?
Looks like a C-12 or T-44 would be a good trainer for it, or maybe the T-1? Possibly because it's single pilot ops?
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Can anyone shed some light on this? Some searching yields a Pilatus variant. Does anyone know why this is in the 38 track? How is the aircraft employed?
Looks like a C-12 or T-44 would be a good trainer for it, or maybe the T-1? Possibly because it's single pilot ops?
Thanks
04-08-2008, 06:10 PM
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This is true, they have dropped a few U-28's out of the -38 track. I've wondered the same thing myself, as there are more than a few bubbas from my Herk squadron down who've left to go fly it too. I can only guess that the mission is evolving, and that is driving the need for guys right out of UPT with single-seat experience. One can only wonder if that helps in the decision process come track select time...hmmm, go -38's these days and you have a good chance of not getting a fighter.
04-08-2008, 06:46 PM
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Definitely an interesting time at ENJJPT right now w/ assignments. The last class that got their assignments about 10 days ago got 3 U-28's and 3 or 4 NSA (Non-standard Aviation) spots for about 15 US guys. The class before that 6 weeks earlier had like 6 U-28's for about 15 US guys too. The NSA guys from a Spec Ops squadron at Cannon that is getting stood up came and gave a brief but couldn't say anything about their "customers" or what the difference was between their U-28 and the PC-12. They just said you'd fly a lot (like maxing out what the AFI allows in a 1 month period) and be doing some interesting stuff. I think the needs of the AF are driving the pulling so many kids right out of UPT or ENJJPT right now b/c of fighters being overwhelmed w/ B course LTs and the need for so many bodies in this growing segment of Spec Ops flying.
04-08-2008, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 4 Fan Trashcan
This is true, they have dropped a few U-28's out of the -38 track. I've wondered the same thing myself, as there are more than a few bubbas from my Herk squadron down who've left to go fly it too. I can only guess that the mission is evolving, and that is driving the need for guys right out of UPT with single-seat experience. One can only wonder if that helps in the decision process come track select time...hmmm, go -38's these days and you have a good chance of not getting a fighter.
Oh well....at least it had some great missions and the guys flying it had a blast. there are even some on APC here that might chime in.USMCFLYR
PS. And don't forget the E-6A guys that come out of the strike pipeline either. Now that has to be a change in training.
04-09-2008, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
And don't forget the E-6A guys that come out of the strike pipeline either. Now that has to be a change in training.
04-09-2008, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaker
How is the aircraft employed?
Looks like a C-12 or T-44 would be a good trainer for it, or maybe the T-1? Possibly because it's single pilot ops?
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Looks like a C-12 or T-44 would be a good trainer for it, or maybe the T-1? Possibly because it's single pilot ops?
Thanks
A bit more background...
The 319th SOS, assigned to the 16th Special Operations Wing, provides intra-theater support for Special Operations Forces. The squadron was officially reactivated on 01 October 2005 and began flying operations six days later. The addition of the 319th SOS to the 16th SOW and Air Force Special Operations Command provided a new intra-theater support capability for Special Operations Forces, and will help Air Commandos deliver their specialized airpower any time, any place.
The 319th SOS grew in the following three months, and the Airmen were ready for their first combat mission in January 2006. The heritage of the 319th SOS dates back to the beginning of Air Commando history. The squadron gets its roots from the 319th Troop Carrier Squadron, which operated in the Burma theater during World War II.
The 319th SOS grew in the following three months, and the Airmen were ready for their first combat mission in January 2006. The heritage of the 319th SOS dates back to the beginning of Air Commando history. The squadron gets its roots from the 319th Troop Carrier Squadron, which operated in the Burma theater during World War II.
Here in ATL we have quite a few PC-12s and they can haul a boatload of stuff out of short fields. With that huge cargo door they have, they are very adaptable for different missions. The guys who fly them like them but note they are not very quick and not very fast but have fairly long legs.
04-09-2008, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sigtauenus
You sure about that? I remember guys (very few of them) selecting E-6's out of primary.
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04-09-2008, 06:00 AM
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Do you mean EA-6B, the prowler? The E-6A (now E-6B) is a 707 and yes you do select it out of primary and attend JSUPT at Vance flying the T-1A for advanced. The only jet guys out of strike I can recall coming the Tinker were A-6 guys when that airplane went away (lots of these guys), some ES-3 guys (same boat), and a few guys who did have trouble at the boat or a mishap that caused them to be ejection seat disqual.
04-09-2008, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by HoursHore
Do you mean EA-6B, the prowler? The E-6A (now E-6B) is a 707 and yes you do select it out of primary and attend JSUPT at Vance flying the T-1A for advanced. The only jet guys out of strike I can recall coming the Tinker were A-6 guys when that airplane went away (lots of these guys), some ES-3 guys (same boat), and a few guys who did have trouble at the boat or a mishap that caused them to be ejection seat disqual.
You know though...since we have been talking about this; I think you guys are right. It was Pilot B's brother that flew E-6As (at the time) Remember that all of my experience with selection from Primary was quite some time ago. Even BEFORE USN/USMC starting going to UPT
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04-09-2008, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnF16
Definitely an interesting time at ENJJPT right now w/ assignments. The last class that got their assignments about 10 days ago got 3 U-28's and 3 or 4 NSA (Non-standard Aviation) spots for about 15 US guys. The class before that 6 weeks earlier had like 6 U-28's for about 15 US guys too. The NSA guys from a Spec Ops squadron at Cannon that is getting stood up came and gave a brief but couldn't say anything about their "customers" or what the difference was between their U-28 and the PC-12. They just said you'd fly a lot (like maxing out what the AFI allows in a 1 month period) and be doing some interesting stuff. I think the needs of the AF are driving the pulling so many kids right out of UPT or ENJJPT right now b/c of fighters being overwhelmed w/ B course LTs and the need for so many bodies in this growing segment of Spec Ops flying.
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